Thailand Rejects US Extradition Request

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whilst I would always applaud the fact a scumbag arms dealer is dragged into the court, this has me wondering:
The United States is seeking Bout's extradition on charges that he conspired to sell millions of dollars' worth of weapons to Farc, including more than 700 surface-to-air missiles, thousands of guns, hi-tech helicopters and planes outfitted with grenade-launchers and missiles. He has been indicted on four terrorism-related charges in a court in New York and could face life in jail.
errrrm....FARC are active in Columbia, so what gives the US the right to charge Bout in a US court with crimes comitted in another country. Is Columbia now the 51st state? Are the FBI now the worlds police?

The alleged crime took place in Thailand, and involved a proposed deal with a Columbian terror group....so where do the US get involved in this? He should be tried and convicted in Thailand. There is also a whiff of entrapment about this.

I for one am very very uncomfortable with this trend.

Doesnt bode well for poor Gary McKinnon back in Blighty....

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Other sites and CNN news are reporting the opposite story.
They are reporting that he can be extradited to the US.

hmmm
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errrrm....FARC are active in Columbia, so what gives the US the right to charge Bout in a US court with crimes comitted in another country. Is Columbia now the 51st state? Are the FBI now the worlds police?
I see that because of these problems, the US also brought another charge against him that is within their juristiction:

The indictment charges Bout, a Russian native, and his alleged American co-conspirator, Richard Chichakli, with the illegal purchase of a Boeing 727 and a Boeing 737 and with money laundering and wire fraud.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/17 ... index.html
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Yeah, looks like Victor is going to the USA to be tried. Think a lower court in Thailand said he didn't have to go initially then the high court in Thailand said today that he is going, been a big battle over who gets him between the Ruskies and the Americans.

Looks like 'The Lord of War' is off to the US on charges of supplying who the Americans consider as terrorists along with some other charges. Wouldn't be surprised if the US has "leaned" of the Thai authorities to a considerable degree to get their way.

They (US) must really want him as they have gone to long lengths to get this outcome.
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This is getting all mysterious, the US sent a plane that touched down at Don Mueang suddenly yesterday and they were going to whisk Viktor Bout away under an escort of 50 Thai commandos in a convoy, then there are suddenly more charges made against him so he can't leave. Definitely more to this than meets the eye, the US wants him badly and were going to snatch him away before anyone knew.

He must know some interesting stuff, ex Ruskie air force major, I think.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1 ... -grab-bout
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Seems there's further disappointment for the US.....

http://www.huahintoday.net/news/thailan ... ng-160.htm
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prcscct wrote:
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spitfire wrote:I wonder if the Russians have made a back scene move
They certainly have in Pattaya. There were plenty of gaping holes in the market which they are filling on a daily basis. It can cause a lot of suffering in the dry season.SJ
Yes, they probably contributed to the judge's retirement fund. The Russians are in a tit for tat mood with the USA at the moment ever since the Georgia/NATO issues started, and the eastern EU missile program was proposed.

It wouldn't surprise me if they are behind this in some way. Pete :cheers:
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It wouldn't surprise me if they are behind this in some way either Pete. I guess you could say that the Russians have been in a tit for tat mood with the USA ever since the beginning of the Cold War.
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prcscct wrote:Thailand's latest judicial faux pas
By The Nation
Published on August 15, 2009

By refusing to extradite Victor Bout, the Bangkok court has not just legitimised terrorist groups; it has also violated UN resolutions

On the surface, the court decision earlier this week to deny the extradition of world-famous mercenary Viktor Bout seemed to be a logical one. Bout had done Thailand no harm, the court argued. He might be a bad guy somewhere out there, arming rebels, outlawed groups and political organisations, except these people have never hurt Thailand.
However, upon deeper scrutiny, the ruling was faulty on every count and will end up having huge ramifications on the Thai national interest, especially on issues pertaining to security in the South as well as arms-smuggling and drug-trafficking among other things. Sooner or later, the country may end up having to pay a high price for this verdict.

It is unbelievable that the court could see the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (Farc) as anything but criminal. The judges must have been naive to think Farc a political organisation, not a criminal group that kidnaps, kills, bombs and terrorises.

In Latin America, Farc is considered a narco-terrorist group, outlawed by the United Nations and the West. Entertaining this reckless interpretation could imply that in the future a person or organisation, such as the Pattani United Liberation Organisation or Barisan Revolusi Nasional, could get away with openly supporting and arming insurgent groups in Thailand's southern provinces.

Furthermore, the court's decision also completely ignored the fact that Farc is one of the most famous drug-trafficking rings in Latin America and has tight control on parts of Colombia, where its operations are currently based. The Colombian government's full-scale war against Farc seems not to have touched it.

In a similar circumstance, along the Thai border, especially the porous Thai-Burmese border, many drug-trafficking armies, such as the United Wa State Army, have been a menace to Thailand. The ruling suggested, sadly in a rather straightforward manner, that doing business with such groups is also legitimate.

Again, when it comes to the notion of "dual criminality", the court also seems to be rather confused. Dual criminality is underlined in all extradition treaties to ensure that the reasons for extradition are serious, not frivolous, and that it comes under the jurisdiction of the Thai court.

Unfortunately, this court thinks that an act is only a crime if it takes place in Thailand, making irrelevant its jurisdiction over a crime committed elsewhere. Under the restricted nature of this ruling, it has made extradition essentially impossible.

So we are creating a new messy situation for ourselves. At the moment, the government is actively pursuing fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and is trying to set up extradition agreements with other countries. Now that it has more or less legitimised Farc, it seems that the Thai government has no right to seek extradition for any wanted criminals, such as Pin Jakkapark or Rakesh Saxena.

Bout is a dangerous man. Just his nickname, the "Merchant of Death", sends shivers up people's spines and stirs up nightmares everywhere, except perhaps in the Thai courts. He is one of the world's leading arms-smugglers selling weapons to countries under UN embargo.

During his two decades of wheeling and dealing, his customers are believed to have included outlawed governments, armed factions and terrorists in the Philippines, Lebanon, Afghanistan and, especially, in some of the more violent and lawless countries in Africa.

He has been linked to some of the world's most notorious conflicts, allegedly supplying arms to former Liberian dictator Charles Taylor and Libyan leader Mu'ammar Gadhafi.

Many UN resolutions and travel bans were imposed on him for his role in arming people in areas of conflict. These included UN Security Council Resolution 1343 in 2001 and resolution 1521 in 2003. Other references include the UN Resolutions 1171, 1295, 1306, 1309, 1478, 1521 and 1556.

By freeing Bout, Thailand is actually violating these very UN resolutions, which it had pledged to comply with as a member of UN community.

The United States is seeking Bout's extradition on charges that he conspired to sell millions of dollars' worth of weapons to Farc, including more than 700 surface-to-air missiles, thousands of guns, hi-tech helicopters and planes outfitted with grenade-launchers and missiles. He has been indicted on four terrorism-related charges in a court in New York and could face life in jail.

Prosecutors have already decided to appeal the Bangkok Court's ruling, while the Foreign Ministry has contacted the Office of the Attorney General to help fight it.

We hope that our courts will come to their senses in the near future and ensure that Bout has no chance to sell any more weapons or be responsible for deaths again.
Good Article.
Thai Judges seem to be extremely nationilistic and i have heard that they routinely accept bribes to. I don't think a fair trial could ever be had in a Thai Court.
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Russia is probably still angry at the USA because we intervened militarily in their civil war(White Russians versus the Bolshevik Communists).
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Name Taken wrote:Russia is probably still angry at the USA because we intervened militarily in their civil war(White Russians versus the Bolshevik Communists).
It certainly goes back a long way; the Russians wanted to supply Columbians with anti-aircraft missiles to shoot down American helicopters to retaliate for the US sending Stinger missiles to shoot down Hind gunships in Afghanistan in the 80's.
The US did that partly in retaliation for the USSR giving the North Vietnamese SAM 2 missiles to shoot down USAF jets in the sixties.
I don't know if you can link things as far back as the civil war, but it's probably not impossible.
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He's on a plane and gone as of 1327 hours today. Pete :cheers:
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I suppose his only hope now is if he can spill some secrets that the US is interested in, otherwise he'll be in jail for ever.
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As an ex Russian Air force Major then he's probably got plenty of stuff to make a deal with and get him a cushy life someplace out of the way, new name etc. We probably won't here much about it after this, I reckon.

Ruskies are going to be pissed-off though, we all know how to what lengths they'll go to 'get their man', look at what happened to that Russian defector in London that they managed to poison in a hotel, pretty nasty.

Not a good pair of shoes to be in at the moment Victor.
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FYI, the following poll is running in the Bangkok Post:

Quick Poll
Viktor Bout’s wife has said her family had been offered political asylum in the US if Mr Bout was willing to disclose information about international arms trafficking. Do you think they should accept the offer?

So far it 43% yes and 57 no. I think she'll take it and he'll sing like a bird. I doubt he'll do any jail time but get a new identity and disappear to a ranch in rural America somewhere, IMO. Pete :cheers:
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