Four people arrested in connection with tobys absence

[Wanderlust]

I would like to also express my sympathy for Toby's family - lets hope that an appropriate memorial service is held where we can all show our feelings for Toby. The justice debate going on here is a difficult one to conclude and although I am aware of previous failures by the Thai system I would be interested to hear a Thai's thoughts on this as i have had very little personal contact or experiences of it. The only small crumb of comfort from this latest news is that it avoids his family having to live through the agony of uncertainty, wondering what happened.
Rest In Peace Toby.

[lomuamart]

Ok, I'll bend a bit on this one. You're certainly correct about the state of affairs in Pattaya and other incidents.
In this case, I have read a report that two of the ex-wife's family have already admitted to the killing and that the ex wife hired them.
My comments in the previous post were made with this in mind. If found guilty - and the police supposedly have confessions, then a guilty plea is about all that will save them from execution.
Still, let's not get carried away with debates about the Thai jurisprudential and legal system.
We should be remembering Toby.

[tuktukmike]

Hi Lomuamart

I have not heard of this law but is it really correct that if she pleads guilty there is no death penalty.

This would surprise me as after Tobys dissapearence she turned up in the bar as if nothing had happened, also she never confessed when questioned.

It was only after the other two relitaves confessed all this came out, and i am not sure from news reports if she has confessed yet.

My point would be that having been caught with the smoking gun as they say she can now walk away from the real penalty.??????

It will be interesting to see now what happens with the new hotel being built on soi Bintabat as i understand they wanted to build right up to the corner.

Not of course that this had anything to do with recent events.

Mike.

[khaosai]

Hi, did not know Toby but would like to offer my condolences to everyone affected by this tragic event.

[Jockey]

I only spoke to Toby on a couple of occasions but it was obvious to me he was a very nice gentleman. I congratulate the private detective and my sincere condolences go out to his family.

[tonychang]

Sorry to hear about Toby, seemed like a nice enough bloke to me.

[Randy Cornhole]

I was used to seeing Toby walking around Soi Binterbart in the evening He seemed like a nice chap, just going about his business.
Again my condolences go out to his family and friends.

[hogus]

Does anybody know if there will be a memorial service in Hua Hin for Toby???

[stickyjack]

very sad and unneccessary,
although
(don't flame please)

If I was his beloved wife, and I gave birth to a son who was then taken away from me AND my name was taken off the propety list which we had BOTH got the rights to...I would be angry, mad and just plain abused.
He took her baby away. His too, but she gave birth. It was her son.
No one deserved to die in that way, it's disgusting she did that.But he just came along, has his way with her, took her baby away, then shacked up with another Thai girl.....hmm.


Not saying it's right what she did, it's not. But niether is what he did right.

[tuktukmike]

Hi Stickyjack

Are you really being serious,

Whatever the circumstances you can never justify this sort of barbaric murder, if Toby was given custody of the child i am sure there was a very good reason for this.

Also bear in mind that many women gladly give up custody in return for a pay off, on this point i cannot comment as i dont know what their personal arrangement was and neither do you.

Maybe you know Tobys personal affairs better than the rest of us, but i really do not think this had anything to do with feeling abused as it was more motivated by greed for the Baht.

I am sure that this person walked away with a lot more than she had at the start of their relationship.

When you say he just shacked up with another thai girl it sounds to me like you know or seem to know an awful lot about this situation or are you just guessing.

Flamed, no just very very sad to read such comments on this forum at this time,

Mike.

[Lev]

Hi Stickyjack
Flamed, no just very very sad to read such comments on this forum at this time

Justified. Well said Mike.

[hogus]

Well, Stickyjack,

it seems you really believe it's enough for an unpropertied Thai-woman to start a relationship with a foreigner, born a baby and has therefore the lifelong right to control his assets and lifestyle.
Please remember, that both people were divorced legally and no court in the world will allow the father to give custody for his child, if there aren't weighty doubts in the ability of the mother to do so - especially in Thailand, if the mother is a Thai!
As we know today, the decision of the court wasn't wrong in view of the character and criminal energy of this woman and her relatives.

It's a shame that Toby has to pay with his life, because it seems some greedy Thais couldn't understand and accept again the difference between thine and mine.
Sorry, Stickjack, but it makes me really sick, if people try to put committers into victims.

May Toby rest in peace, and let us hope, that this times the Thai-justiciary will punish the murderers, and involved people with all possible strength and hardness!

[tuktukmike]

Re Stickyjack comments.

I see that stickyjack has also posted on the accomodation section on this forum.

Reading his comments about Pink People and Whores i came to the conclusion that he will be a very popular visitor here.

My thoughts are that maybe this is a Troll.

Mike.

[Gooner]

Toby was a friend,may he rest in peace.
Can someone please delete the deeply offensive remarks made by stickyjack,who clearly knows nothing.

[Rider]

Condolences to Toby and family.

Stickyjack watch your tongue! This forum doesn't need ignorant and condescending comments with irrelavant whys and wherefores. Now thats cleared up...

Guys this isn't going to be the last time we lose one of our own to thai savagery. However we (the expats) need to stick together more and close ranks out there. When we have to back each other up, we should! Any thais who've got it in for us will likely think twice about any skuldugery they may be plotting.

We need to take care out there brothers...