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Also a cost saving can be that outside thr tessaban area ( city) most areas do not require a building permit.This I am sure of in the Hin Lek Fai area which covers most of the west of Hua Hin.
Most small Thai builders are 'fixers' and just oversee labourers and use sub contractors for skills. If you have the time to source different subcontractors to do all the different stages and buy the materials yourself you can cut out the "overseer" . Beware you will need to be on site daily and will need to check everything is being done to your requirements. Do not trust a contract or any paperwork drawn up in Thailand. All the paperwork in the world will not protect you from the builder walking away. Yes you can sue him - Many have tried and won but still have not got their money back ( I heard one story that the courts allow up to 10 years for repayment)!!
Most Thais will continue to fix and repair until you have paid them but not all. Some will walk even without getting paid if they do not like what they are doing.
In my experience do not pay in front ( small advance to cover materials OK)
If you do not speak Thai get a translator to ensure your needs are understood.
The need for complicated and expensive plans is far outweighed by the builders experience and ability. Most Thais will always say yes and agree with you even if they do not understand what you are asking. This is I think do to the loss of face admitting that you know more than them.
Again in my experience this will be avoided by letting the builder tell you/show you what he is capable of rather then you presuming and then being dissapointed.
This advise only applies to using a local builder directly as I have done.
I also tried using a university qualified architect - Great for paper houses!!
Keep It simple and do not pay in front and you cannot go wrong - you will go insane but you will save money and get what you want - eventually :)
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Have just moved in to newly constructed house in Hua Hin. Builder allows you to make any changes you want as he enjoys modifying and designing homes to customers specifications. After my previous experience with bad farang builder I can't say enough about the quality and service I have received in my new home. PM me if you want to know builder.
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The need for complicated and expensive plans is far outweighed by the builders experience and ability. Most Thais will always say yes and agree with you even if they do not understand what you are asking. This is I think do to the loss of face admitting that you know more than them.
This is what I found as well; rather than trying to draw what you want, drive the builder to a house that has the feature you want and point at it, and if he is a competent tradesman he will make you one without any problem.
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Thanks again for the input guys, there is a lot to think about here.

I know Thailand is strict on foreigners but I didnt think I could get busted for buying tiles or inspecting my own property? Is that really true?

The reason for the self build is that we have a nice plot of land and didn't want to live in a farang estate where you can see into the neighbors bathroom from your kitchen. Additionally I have also read a lot of horror storys about farang developers on the web and have been warned by some of you.

Yes, budget is definitely a factor, this will be no 10 million baht crib!!! :D :D :D
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Whilst many rural areas do not require a building permit it is for sure better to have one. Why would you not? Oh yes the cost saving. I just checked the one on the 400 sqm house next to me. 144 baht plus 20 baht tax. Thats nearly 7 cans of chang I wasted :shock:

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I must admit that having been told that I didn't require a building permit, it never occured to me that there would even be a process for applying for a permit that you don't need.
Indeed our house is outside the juristriction of the nearest town that would issue one.
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poosmate wrote:Also a cost saving can be that outside thr tessaban area ( city) most areas do not require a building permit.This I am sure of in the Hin Lek Fai area which covers most of the west of Hua Hin.
Have to disagree here.

The Lodge is in Hin Lek Fai and comes under the governance of the local Amphur office. ALL of our structures and facilities have got building permits - gone are the days when you can just shove anything up.

If you construct anything in the HH area these days - make sure you get the permit first.

As Mr. C says, 7 Cans of Chang - or thereabouts - is definitely worth it.
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A building permit cannot be obtained for an area where a permit is not required.
The local office will however issue a letter stating that a permit is not required for the structure (attached plans) going to be built.This is free of charge.
According to a recent lawyers search Hin Lek Fai does not even have a local plan. The last one expired several years ago and it is still being presumed that the previous plan still applies.
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A building permit cannot be obtained for an area where a permit is not required. HAVING CONFIRMED WITH DEVELOPERS IN 3 DISTRICTS OF HH WHERE THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED I CAN ASSURE YOU I HAVE THEM FOR PROPERTIES IN THOSE AREAS.

The local office will however issue a letter stating that a permit is not required for the structure (attached plans) going to be built.This is free of charge. I WAS OFFERED THIS ON ONE OCCASION AND NOW HAVE BUILDING PERMIT. THE LETTER SEEMS TO BE PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE PROCEDURE ALTHOUGH I DO NOT HAVE A ROCK SOLID REFERENCE FOR THAT.

According to a recent lawyers search Hin Lek Fai does not even have a local plan. The last one expired several years ago and it is still being presumed that the previous plan still applies. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO A LOT OF THE LAND IN THE AREA WAS RECATEGORISED TO CHANOTE FROM NS3K. NOT ALL LANDOWNERS WERE PRESENT TO SIGN. HUNDREDS WERE. ALL THAT WERE HAVE BEEN ISSUED THE NEW DEEDS SOME TIME AGO. THE FACT THAT SOME LAND OWNERS WERE NOT ABLE TO BE CONTACTED MAY EXPLAIN THE MASTER LAYOUT NOT BEING UPDATED ON THE BOARD AT THE LAND OFFICE.

Not shouting just cannot figure out the coloured text. For my own interest as I, and friends, own several plots in the area, who was the lawyer? Also from whom did they obtain the information?

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The lawyers were Siam legal. A similar search by Chivalt Finch and a company in Bankok have all come back with the same comment about the local plan.The plan is issued by national government and covers land usage etc. it expired quite a few years ago.( the comment did not stop their clients buying).It not being in force I would imagine why 2 Asphalt plants have been built alongside the road leading to Wat Monkol near to peoples houses - Unless like you they have managed to get a permit ?
I too have a lot of land in Hin Lek Fai. I have also been involved in more than 30 house sales. I have tried to obtain a building permit for many houses. Opon application at the local Orpador I have been told a permit cannot be obtained.
I believe some people have thought the official headed letter from the Orpador is a permit.
The letter has been used for registration of new houses and has also been accepted by Lawyers acting for people buying a second hand house.I would have thought that if a permit was available it would have been requested as a necessary document to be obtained before a house was sold ?
I would be very interested to see a building permit for this area. I too have spoken with several developers building in Hin Lek Fai who like me have not been able to obtain a permit. They like me have been informed that a permit cannot be issued in an area where planning restrictons do not apply.
This is Thailand so nothing I know is cast in stone. :) My knowledge has only been gained through the deals I have been involved in which are in the Nong Korn area of Hin Lek Fai.
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You are quite correct on Nong Korn not requiring or issuing a permit, only a document signed and registered with the orpador. I have just had a friend from that area bring one round for me to examine. Totally different to the paperwork we have. Also checked with neighbouring houses not far away that have only the orpador letter. Guess I must be just over a boundary line or the level of jurisdiction has changed in the last few years after the earlier homes were built. I am in soi 88.

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Sounds like Hin Lek Fai covers a very large area!
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Tried to google a map but did not find anything accurate for the area in detail.

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Not sure I want to revive this one with all the property fights going on elsewhere. Anyway, point taken on the building permit if we can get one we will.

So can anyone provide a comprehensive list of steps to take in the process such as ...

1) Landfill
2) Well/groundwater
3) Electricity meter
4) Plans/drawings
5) Approval from local authority
6) ...

Thanks again for all of your advice and suggestions.
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