Brit found dead at 'The Beach' after pursuing dream

[Spitfire]

Seems like an emotional and deluded kid. As said by others, come here from the drab UK, seen what's on offer here with the cheap booze, hot women everywhere and the beach lifestyle and got sucked into 'La La Land'.

The Drummond report mentioned him being "under pressure to go home", so could be his parents telling him to come home and visit, but if he had been working illegally on the island then he could have been having visa renewal problems (especially now) and decided to 'top himself' when drunk or on drugs (southern islands are awash with them) because he 'couldn't hack going back' and would have to leave that sexy girl he was shacked-up with.......give me a break!

You do what mostly everyone else does in their early 20s...and go back till you can come again. Can't live in fantasy land forever at that age.

These days these kids (everywhere) are just so far detached from reality and so many believe they are owed a living and existence as they see fit. Also agree about so many of the southern beach resort places just being full of tossers.

[Roel]

It has been reported in local media here in Phuket by people who personally knew him that he indeed worked illegally as a bartender on Phi Phi and that he currently was having relationship problems with his Thai boyfriend. Yes, boyfriend. Whatever he was going through he made a drastic and sad decision there. RIP young man.

[theprice01]

^ i didnt see that one coming

[Pleng]

There's an awful lot of judgement in the posts above...

I'm only thankful that when I first came here, at the tender age of 22, there was simply no chance of me actually living here full time - as I would have probably also ended up in a nasty situation.

Old retiree comes over here, looses his life saving through buying multiple poorly-researched businesses and marrying multiple women half his age, leading to suicide - it's a sad story and the poor old guy just didn't quite get things right

Lad comes over in his 20s, unfortunately gets mixed up with drugs and ends up killing himself. - he's a twat.

Nice...

My condolences to the family of the lad

[kendo]

There's an awful lot of judgement in the posts above...

I'm only thankful that when I first came here, at the tender age of 22, there was simply no chance of me actually living here full time - as I would have probably also ended up in a nasty situation.

Old retiree comes over here, looses his life saving through buying multiple poorly-researched businesses and marrying multiple women half his age, leading to suicide - it's a sad story and the poor old guy just didn't quite get things right

Lad comes over in his 20s, unfortunately gets mixed up with drugs and ends up killing himself. - he's a twat.

Nice...

My condolences to the family of the lad

I agree with Pleng's post to some degree there's some quite strong opinions here.

We have all seen men come to Thailand after relationship breakups and divorce settlements then go crazy pissing up the proceeds and living the rock and roll lifestyle with girls young enough to be their daughters and when the money runs out with no thought of the now non existent future then top themselves in moments of self inflicted desperation.

In these reports so far i don't see that drugs have been mentioned maybe the lad was not mature enough to deal with some really strong emotions of having to give up his dream his relationship face the authority's for overstaying and if he was homosexial coming out and telling his family and friends, or returning from paradise to rainy Swansea with sod all job prospects, all maybe's but obviously there was a trigger because he couldn't deal with it. Alcohol could have made this lad over react but that we will never know.

I think it's a sad waist of a young life that will hurt his family forever.

Kendo.

[Siani]

I agree with Pleng's post to some degree there's some quite strong opinions here.

We have all seen men come to Thailand after relationship breakups and divorce settlements then go crazy pissing up the proceeds and living the rock and roll lifestyle with girls young enough to be their daughters and when the money runs out with no thought of the now non existent future then top themselves in moments of self inflicted desperation.

In these reports so far i don't see that drugs have been mentioned maybe the lad was not mature enough to deal with some really strong emotions of having to give up his dream his relationship face the authority's for overstaying and if he was homosexial coming out and telling his family and friends, or returning from paradise to rainy Swansea with sod all job prospects, all maybe's but obviously there was a trigger because he couldn't deal with it. Alcohol could have made this lad over react but that we will never know.

I think it's a sad waist of a young life that will hurt his family forever.

Kendo.

I agree Kendo with what you say, well to a point anyway.
I do think that he has also "sod all job prospects" in Thailand. He could not legally work there and the visa situation makes it difficult for anyone young to stay indefinately.
If he wanted to be a bartender and have the party lifestyle, why not look for a job somewhere else where he could work legally. Places like Teneriffe or Ibiza. Get proper training in hotel catering and apply for jobs, even Australia.

As said by others, come here from the drab UK,

I agree that "some" parts of the UK are drab, especially Llanelli where he is from. I will say though that not all parts of the UK are drab. Where I live is fabulous, we have just had the best summer for years. The is so much to do for young people to do, so many clubs, bars nightlife, if that is what you are looking for in life. There are lots of people who actually choose to live in the UK, many of them could afford to live anywhere in the world if they wanted to.

I think Thailand should tighten up the drug problems, but suspect that there are a few "backhanders" being passed out to "turn a blind eye" to the situation.

What ever made him commit suicde, maybe drink/ drugs is a warning to all young people, also to those not so young.

[dtaai-maai]

It's unbelievable the way this thread has developed. All we know for certain is that he's a young lad from Wales who died on Phi Phi. Everything else is idle gossip and speculation.

[theprice01]

I do hope we get more facts soon.
i'm only 2 years older then him... but for me its simple, if im not able to work (legally) in the next 5 years or so, i would look at a living in a different country.
If its proven that he was working illegally and on drugs, theres no way i feel sorry for him, why should i feel bad when a criminal has personal problems?!?

as said above, there are a lot more job opportunites in other countries whatever your age.

[STEVE G]

It's unbelievable the way this thread has developed. All we know for certain is that he's a young lad from Wales who died on Phi Phi. Everything else is idle gossip and speculation.

I think there's enough material on here to form the plot for Alex Garland to write another book!

[kendo]

I agree Kendo with what you say, well to a point anyway.
I do think that he has also "sod all job prospects" in Thailand.

Yes but he was living his fantasy and dream no matter how legal or not, he was being young and carefree and to be honest if he did smoke a little pot work in a bar illegally it's hardly the crime of the century we were all young once.

As for young people in Wales committing suicide it has been well documented over the last few years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgend_suicide_incidents

http://www.newswales.co.uk/index.cfm?id=13228

It's unbelievable the way this thread has developed. All we know for certain is that he's a young lad from Wales who died on Phi Phi. Everything else is idle gossip and speculation.

Just trying to work out some of the reasoning that drove this lad to suicide is hardly speculation it's the normal thought processes that you go through when thinking what a waste of a young life.

I have known three people who have topped themselves one was a druggy another lad was a hard working garage owner that got into debt and was being bullied by some heavy's and the third lad, was going back to just after i left school a handsome lad that had a good job all the local girls loved him everything in life looked really sweet for him and he hanged himself and nobody has never really understood why.

Kendo.

[dtaai-maai]

Just trying to work out some of the reasoning that drove this lad to suicide is hardly speculation it's the normal thought processes that you go through when thinking what a waste of a young life.

Where exactly did you read that he committed suicide?

[Siani]

I agree Kendo with what you say, well to a point anyway.
I do think that he has also "sod all job prospects" in Thailand.

Yes but he was living his fantasy and dream no matter how legal or not, he was being young and carefree and to be honest if he did smoke a little pot work in a bar illegally it's hardly the crime of the century we were all young once.

As for young people in Wales committing suicide it has been well documented over the last few years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgend_suicide_incidents

http://www.newswales.co.uk/index.cfm?id=13228

It's unbelievable the way this thread has developed. All we know for certain is that he's a young lad from Wales who died on Phi Phi. Everything else is idle gossip and speculation.

Just trying to work out some of the reasoning that drove this lad to suicide is hardly speculation it's the normal thought processes that you go through when thinking what a waste of a young life.

I have known three people who have topped themselves one was a druggy another lad was a hard working garage owner that got into debt and was being bullied by some heavy's and the third lad, was going back to just after i left school a handsome lad that had a good job all the local girls loved him everything in life looked really sweet for him and he hanged himself and nobody has never really understood why.

Kendo.

Kendo, you don't have to stay in Bridgend Not the whole of the UK is the same. If he were on the dole, he could have been on the dole anywhere or get trained for something, even as a bartender. If he wanted a job in "paradise" get trained for something and apply for positions in exotic places. There are easier places to go to in Asia, if that was his only "dream" place to live.

Where exactly did you read that he committed suicide?

Quite correct DM the cause of death has not yet been established.

[richard]

As I posted earlier on the thread I've heard 3 versions already. As someone else pointed out we do not know what the situation is so why speculate?. Forums are forums and we are all guilty of reporting what we have read or saying what we feel.

We may never know the truth as with all the countless tragic stories we've heard about the LOS.

Let's just let it rest and hope that his friends and relatives find peace in what ever is presented.

[Siani]

As I posted earlier on the thread I've heard 3 versions already. As someone else pointed out we do not know what the situation is so why speculate?. Forums are forums and we are all guilty of reporting what we have read or saying what we feel.

We may never know the truth as with all the countless tragic stories we've heard about the LOS.

Let's just let it rest and hope that his friends and relatives find peace in what ever is presented.

RIP Jack

[kendo]

I agree Kendo with what you say, well to a point anyway.
I do think that he has also "sod all job prospects" in Thailand.

Yes but he was living his fantasy and dream no matter how legal or not, he was being young and carefree and to be honest if he did smoke a little pot work in a bar illegally it's hardly the crime of the century we were all young once.

As for young people in Wales committing suicide it has been well documented over the last few years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgend_suicide_incidents

http://www.newswales.co.uk/index.cfm?id=13228

It's unbelievable the way this thread has developed. All we know for certain is that he's a young lad from Wales who died on Phi Phi. Everything else is idle gossip and speculation.

Just trying to work out some of the reasoning that drove this lad to suicide is hardly speculation it's the normal thought processes that you go through when thinking what a waste of a young life.

I have known three people who have topped themselves one was a druggy another lad was a hard working garage owner that got into debt and was being bullied by some heavy's and the third lad, was going back to just after i left school a handsome lad that had a good job all the local girls loved him everything in life looked really sweet for him and he hanged himself and nobody has never really understood why.

Kendo.

Kendo, you don't have to stay in Bridgend Not the whole of the UK is the same. If he were on the dole, he could have been on the dole anywhere or get trained for something, even as a bartender. If he wanted a job in "paradise" get trained for something and apply for positions in exotic places. There are easier places to go to in Asia, if that was his only "dream" place to live.

Where exactly did you read that he committed suicide?

Quite correct DM the cause of death has not yet been established.

From Steve G's Drummond link

“The two witnesses reported that they went to sleep and when George got up in the morning they found Jack hanging in the bathroom.

Siani my point was a young man with strong emotions living his dream maybe obsessive who knows.
I think he would of known if he wanted to do hospitality related work in hot beatiful countries he would have done the homework i think in this case he was so drawn to his surroundings and lifestyle and if he managed to stay there for three years he lasted longer than most for his age. Also another aspect sometimes you can't understand who or what you fall in love with.

Kendo.