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West Ham fans should hope their two new signing's, Tevez and Mascherano, do well for West Ham, but not too well.
If they adapt to the Premiership and perform they will go the same way as Ferdinand, Lampard, Cole, Kanoute, Defoe, Carrick, Sinclair, James, Johnson etc etc.

It's scandalous the players they've flogged down the years without ploughing the money back into the squad.
Scandalous, but funny :D

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:thumb: Scandalous but funny. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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BaaBaa. wrote:I have heard of the bank erasing Reals debts because of the money the club brings to the city.
I have never heard that one it it makes perfect sense. Without knowing the whole story we can only sumise.

Do you really think Chelsea sold Duff to Newcastle for 5 million when Spurs had already offered 7.


I assume you mean Real Madrid again. I don't think Real means anything in Spanish.

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Yes i mean Real Madrid. Sorry.
I just say Re-al when im talking about Real Madrid. Same with Barca, Juve, Inter etc.
I think with the Duff transfer he wanted to go to Newcastle and 2 millions nothing to Chelsea. Plus i imagine Chelsea saw Spurs as a closer rival than Newcastle.
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I think most Barca fans will tell you they hate Real so much as they have received preferential treatment over the years from the Spanish government, including help with 'restructuring' of debts etc etc.

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BaaBaa. wrote: I think with the Duff transfer he wanted to go to Newcastle and 2 millions nothing to Chelsea. Plus i imagine Chelsea saw Spurs as a closer rival than Newcastle.
Same story Liverpool than Spurs. Chelsea not want sell to Duff Pool because they think Newcastle not closer rival than Pool is for Chelsea.
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BaaBaa. wrote:Yes i mean Real Madrid. Sorry.
I just say Re-al when im talking about Real Madrid. Same with Barca, Juve, Inter etc.

Yes but of course there are many teams called Real something but I have had my wrist slapped by my Spanish Neice and a couple of Spanish mates have pointed it out to me aswell,

I think with the Duff transfer he wanted to go to Newcastle and 2 millions nothing to Chelsea. Plus i imagine Chelsea saw Spurs as a closer rival than Newcastle.

Not the case 2 pence is stand up fisticuffs to any accountant worth his salt. Mourhinio and Abrmovitch do not lower themselces to discussions over two million pounds. That is the chief bean counters. These clubs are run larg medium sized corporates.
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I'm sorry to upset you all, but you're all way off track talking about Russian plots to give these guys a 12 month trial at West Ham to see if they're good enough to play for Chelski.

The point you are all missing is who else is on the directors list of MSI? If you check the directors listing you'll see that Paul Stapleton is a prominent figure.

If you're any good at maths, rather than considering the ridiculous by adding 2 + 2 and getting 7, thinking they're going to Chelski. Just try working it out scientifically ie:

Which team plays in a climate similar to Buenos Aires?

Which team is Paul Stapleton financier of?

Which team is pushing for the top by bringing in the league's best manager?

The plan is to consolidate this season, and if they make the grade MSI will simply transfer their assets across to where they will achieve their greatest potential. Obviously MSI will not leave their assets out in the cold too long, they are a business, and they will not make too much profit out of a set up like West Ham.

The PAFC mission statement spells it all out on the web site.
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Here's something from BBC's football gossip site for wonderlust to ponder over:
Sven-Goran Eriksson could be in line for a dramatic return to English football - with West Ham.
As we all remember from the WC SGE is one of his biggest favourites or did I miss something there.............?
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Bamboo Grove wrote:Here's something from BBC's football gossip site for wonderlust to ponder over:
Sven-Goran Eriksson could be in line for a dramatic return to English football - with West Ham.
As we all remember from the WC SGE is one of his biggest favourites or did I miss something there.............?
This gossip originates from The Sun, and having read the article, it is one of the most ridiculous 'stories' ever! It is based on this (quote from the article) -
The former Three Lions manager is great pals with super-agent Pini Zahavi, who helped take striker Carlos Tevez and midfield star Javier Mascherano to London’s East End.
And that is how they have come up with it - great journalism eh? I call it 'made up, spammy bollox' and renews my faith in the Sun as only being fit to line the cat's litter tray.

As to the gossip surrounding Tevez and Mascherano, I will deal with each part in turn;
Owned by MSI - WRONG They are owned by West Ham.
Must play in every game they are fit - WRONG This will be proved on Sunday when one or both start on the bench.
Only staying for one year - who can tell? They have signed 4 year deals. Footballers nowadays frequently move after one season if there is money to be made.
Part of a takeover bid - WRONG
Going to Chelsea in either January or end of season - WRONG
Further to my earlier post about possible outcomes, it now appears that the money behind the potential takeover bid is not Russian, Georgian or any part of the former USSR, but from the Middle East, possibly Iran. My previous post did say that Badri Patarkatsishvili was reportedly behind it but apparently he owns Dinamo Tblisi so under UEFA rules cannot own part or all of another European club. Even then it has not gone past 'exploratory talks'.
Now watch the Hammers go!
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How much did West Ham pay to own these players?
Why would MSI sell them to West Ham for next to nothing?
They are owned by MSI.
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BaaBaa. wrote:How much did West Ham pay to own these players?
Why would MSI sell them to West Ham for next to nothing?
They are owned by MSI.
Once again, they are NOT owned by MSI; they were previously when they were with Corinthians, but when Kia Joorabchian left MSI in June he was the one who owned their contracts (some sort of golden handshake I would imagine). Subsequently he went to a variety of clubs, reportedly including Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Portsmouth, offering the clubs a choice of paying a large fee for both of them (in the region of ?60 million) or a deal at a much lower price (some say ?2 million) but with a huge percentage sell on fee, reportedly as much as 90%. These clubs all turned the deal down for a variety of reasons (Arsenal no money, Man Utd apparently thought they were not good enough, no idea about the others), but West Ham were the ones who went for it. Pretty simple when it comes down to it. The exact terms have not been revealed but then again this is not that unusual, particularly with West Ham; however the press have decided that they want to make a big deal out of it, and that there 'must' be some dodgy deal because they didn't know anything about it beforehand! They seem to be saying that only the 'big 4' get to have 'dibs' on players like this, and anyone else must be doing it through shady deals or on behalf of someone else. In addition they seem to think that players would not want to come to West Ham, but don't bat an eyelid when good players go to Portsmouth or Bolton. All the quotes emanating from the parties involved though continually state that these are permanent 4 year deals, that the players were impressed by Alan Pardew, the team and the club, that there is no ulterior motive, and that it is just a fantastic coup for the club. In addition, apparently Veron warned them against going to Man Utd (not surprisingly) and Scaloni extolled the virtues of West Ham. Apparently he may be rejoining too, as he is now out of contract at Deportivo, and the Ghana right back we signed, Pantsil, is now injured. Now if any of you don't believe any of this it's up to you, but please don't keep on saying the same tripe the gutter press are! :thumb:
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the money behind the potential takeover bid is not Russian, Georgian or any part of the former USSR, but from the Middle East, possibly Iran
Are they going to build some nuclear facilities at Upton Park? :mrgreen:
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Wanderlust wrote:
Bamboo Grove wrote:Here's something from BBC's football gossip site for wonderlust to ponder over:
Sven-Goran Eriksson could be in line for a dramatic return to English football - with West Ham.
As we all remember from the WC SGE is one of his biggest favourites or did I miss something there.............?
This gossip originates from The Sun, and having read the article, it is one of the most ridiculous 'stories' ever! It is based on this (quote from the article) -
The former Three Lions manager is great pals with super-agent Pini Zahavi, who helped take striker Carlos Tevez and midfield star Javier Mascherano to London’s East End. Someone else needs a geography lesson her aswell. Since when did West Ham move to the East End
And that is how they have come up with it - great journalism eh? I call it 'made up, spammy bollox' and renews my faith in the Sun as only being fit to line the cat's litter tray.

As to the gossip surrounding Tevez and Mascherano, I will deal with each part in turn;
Owned by MSI - WRONG They are owned by West Ham. Not according to the MSI web site and the LSE they are not.
Must play in every game they are fit - WRONG This will be proved on Sunday when one or both start on the bench.
Only staying for one year - who can tell? They have signed 4 year deals (Every deal Nicolas Anelka has had has been a four year deal). Footballers nowadays frequently move after one season if there is money to be made. My guess is one year almost exacltly but check out my summary after these points replies.
Part of a takeover bid - WRONG
Going to Chelsea in either January or end of season - WRONG I reckon you are right there. Chelsea already have a team and have dealt with the last problem at great cost.
Further to my earlier post about possible outcomes, it now appears that the money behind the potential takeover bid is not Russian, Georgian or any part of the former USSR, but from the Middle East, possibly Iran. My previous post did say that Badri Patarkatsishvili was reportedly behind it but apparently he owns Dinamo Tblisi so under UEFA rules cannot own part or all of another European club. Even then it has not gone past 'exploratory talks'. "but from the Middle East, possibly Iran". Geography is not your strong point is it. There is no secret that MSI is owned by and Iranian. Iran although close is not in the middle east. It is a Stan nation
Now watch the Hammers go!
We will watch them go alright, but in what direction and for how long is the question you should be asking


Now to add a few facts to the Sun inspired speculation (Don't forget is Sun is owned by the warmonger Murdoch and is not in the business of telling the truth but in this case in the business of selling gutter trash to the masses to finance his covert international operations. It only after it has been read by the masses that it is used in the cat litter tray.

After reading Big Boy's post I decided to do some research myself (and no not in the Sun either). I have checked out the MSI website and the folowing facts have come to light, some of which I knew already.

Kia Joorabchian is the head and main shareholder of MSI. He is Iranian. In a question aksed to him by a Sun (believe it or not) reporter after the Argentinian aqquisation was "are you interested in purchasing a football club" his answer was yes I am looking but am in no hurry and will wait until the new year before drawing a short list. The Sun reporter reported this answer as "Kia Joorabchian" is interseted in aquiring West Ham. Of course don't foget Kia Joorabchian is a shrewd businessman and will not be inspired by supporters songs and strip colours but by ROI only. Even West Hams gloriouus history has only a little part to play. It has done bugger all for Preston North End has it?

Anyway back to MSI, in their own Stock Exchange statement last Friday, West Ham confirmed that any potential takeover is not "contractually linked" to the arrival of Tevez and Mascherano at Upton Park. Smart move, if you get caught lying to the LSE your career is over.

And from the BBC "So it must be true" :wink:
And Georgian businessman Badri Patarkatsishvili also said he was considering investing in the club with Joorabchian. Now lets have a look at Khun Patarkatsishvili. He is Georgina (by sheer coincidence the same part of the world as Roman Abramovitch). This got my nose twitching and I came across anothe character, Boris Berezovsky. Boris has links with both Badri Patarkatsishvili and Kia Joorabchian. BOris has just been granted political assylum (for a Georgian would you believe) to remain in the UK. No here comes the interesting bit. To do business in the UK you really must have a Brit front man with a track record in the business you are trying tom get into. In this case the lucrative Murdoch run Premiership. MSI have many Brits on their books but only one significant at the moment. He is a man called Paul Stapleton that BB mentioned in his post. I had him checked out this morning (In Europe and over here) and sure enough this is his profile.

Paul is by trade an accountant and later made his money arranging finance for deals with countries mainly in Asia who had surplus cash that wished to be invested in Europe and the US. With money from MSI he acquired Plymouth Argyle Football Club from Dan McCauley's Rotoloc Holdings plc in late 2001. Since then the clubs mission has been to build it into a Premiership long stayer. The situation is perfect. The catchment area is the biggest of any club in the UK. The best thing that could have happpend is for Southampton to be relegated. When that happened it was systems go. PAFC now intend to get promotion this year and become the other south coast club but be the superior one. At the moment with Portsmouth on a roll and much of the popluation west of Portsmouth being anti Portsmouth PAFC have the natural position to get supporters from the whole region as far north as Bristol and as far west as Southampton. A very promising future indeed.

PAFC also have the added benefit of the best climate in Britain which would attaract many SA and southern European players who can not live with the harsh northern climate.

So the most plausible throry currently is that the Argies will do ther one year introductory course at West Ham and then move south to the newly promoted PAFC. Chelsea were never an option, as I said before they already have their team and are already owned by the same little gang of mates anyway. In business you look after your mates and they look after you.

I will looking forwrd to West Ham away to Plymouth next season. They have stopped to inter city service now that that should keep the thugs out.
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Plymouth should do very well next year then.
I believe they are also signing Ronaldinho,Kaka,Gerrard and Rooney.
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