Vana Nava Hua Hin City FC 2016

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Big Boy wrote:I was told it was Capital Global Finance. You put Capital Global Finance UK into Google, and I think it speaks for itself. Recouping the lost money not appear likely, regardless of how many courts its taken to.
CGF featured in the thread for last year (october). If CGF is Capital Global Finance in UK, it was only incorporated last June, and shortly thereafter was 75% owner of TOT SC. And then involved with Hua Hin City. cgf on companies house This company? Really?

I think you're right about getting money back BB. But what money does the club hope to 'get back'? Or is it just sponsorship money that never materialized?
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Big Boy wrote:Does anybody think we'll get an honest explanation?
The simple answer to that question is no but is one really needed, the facts, whilst not explained, have been there for many months.

My one regret is that I was not at Kanchanaburi at the weekend for what looks like being Hua Hins final game. This was the first game I have missed, home or away, since I first started supporting the team at the beginning of last season. My reason, quite simply apathy instilled in me by those running the club. For many reasons supporting Hua Hin City and the way that all supporters have been treated has made it a not particalarly enjoyable experience.

Many have pointed fingers, much has been talked about the bullshit that has been talked by people involved in the club but does this really explain or give justification to what has gone on? In my book no, the problems have run far deeper than "sugar daddies" or should I maybe say "conmen" spouting crap and those problems still existed this season without them.

You may ask yourself so what were the problems? Quite simply incompetence by most if not all involved in running the club at all levels. The majority of those people are still in place so why is it any suprise that last seasons problems have continued into this, nothing has changed.

At the start of last season Hua Hin FC was a sole entity run by a group of people, management, board or whatever. Those people negotiated the deal for CGF to become involved. Even then CGF were a minority shareholder. The decision to get involved with TOT, the neglect of the Hua Hin Team, the non-payment of wages, the allienation of sponsors and many others issues could not have happened on the say so of CGF alone and had to have the support of some or all of the other owners/management/shareholders to proceed. This is why it is wrong to point fingers solely at the door of the "sugar daddies", the rest of the management of the club allowed this to happen and those people are still the same and have run the club this season.

In a "professional" club for those individuals to allow sponsors the adorn the club shirts with their logos and advertise their businesses on hordings around the ground without any formal contract that guarentees their sponsorship money is already in the bank is negligent in the extreme. To allow anyone to buy into the club and have any say at all before any money has been forthcoming is equally negligent. In these circumstances to then allow CGF, a minority shareholder, to then dictate, as they did, is absolutely absurd. The financial situation was allowed to happen by those who are/were still in charge this season. The sugar daddies/conmen etc were a symptom the cause was and still is within the club set up.

With all football clubs there is always talk and speculation, some of which comes to fruition and some doesn't. At the end of the day none of this matters. The Nobby scenario, new stadium on the by-pass, academies, foreign coaches etc. etc. don't/didn't matter a jot. What does matter is how the club is run and most importantly what happens on the pitch for 90 minutes at a weekend.

This situation has not happened overnight it has been coming for many months, probably since just past the half way point of last season. I was probably one of the first to put the dire financial plight of the club regarding non-payment of wages into the public domain only to be doubted by some although others did question where the money was coming from. The answer is simple, there was no money. The maladminstration and mismanagement of the club ensured that.

Even at the height of last seasons plight I personally know of people prepared to put sponsorship money into the club only to be told it was not enough. Why when the club had no money?

There are many other instances of total incompetence, as examples,

As well as attending every game last season I also watch the majority of afternoon training sessions. At these sessions as well as bona fide coaching staff there were three, possibly more people who did absolutely nothing. Presumably they were getting some money. Why in view of the clubs financial plight weren't they ditched. These same people are still there this season. Why?

Team shirts have not been available in anything much above a small Thai girls size. Many people want shirts but can not get sizes to fit them. Why? Warrix produce shirts in sizes up to 7XL. Lost revenue.

Communication between the club and supporters has been awful. Promised statement and explanations of events have never materialise. Why?

Even down to fairly minor things like arranging for vendors to sell food and drink at the new ground on match days have been beyond the clubs organisational capabilities.

I could go on and on but .................. wasting my breath now.

What I will finally question is did we actually have any sponsors at all this season. Last season we had cardboard cheques which were worth f**k all. This season we haven't even had that. Look closely at the photos on this forum. No mention of money just cardboard placards with "supported by" on. May as well have had one with mine and all other supporters names on as well.

What has happened to the club yesterday has been down to gross mismanagement and maladministration which has been going on since I first started following them. Those guilty were there throughout and till the end.
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I agree with 90% of what you say GD (probably more).

The fact is though, we had a successful, well managed club before the sugar daddies arrived spouting the players were not good enough and they were going to bring in players the likes of which the league had never known before, and intimating there was a bottomless money pit. OK, maybe they were only front men, bit they were the public face of the downfall.

The main thing that went wrong with our team before the sugar daddies was Phichit crippling our team, taking us out of contention from promotion.

I will openly admit that I don't have a clue about CGF, putting them into Google tells me, lawsuit or no lawsuit, we're unlikely to get a single Baht out of them.

Yes, they brought in couple of decent players, along with about 2 dozen mediocre players. However, wages were way above the norm, and every time you looked there was somebody else joining the gold rush.

I don't think we'll ever know the real truth, but the sugar daddies certainly seemed to be reveling in whatever was going on.
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There's a meeting at Takiab Stadium Saturday at 5. Does anybody know if there will be answers, or will it be a pointles fan's vigil?
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I've taken this extract from one of the supporters associations pages. The way I read it (another Facebook translation) is the club's knee jerk reaction this week has added 100,000 Baht to their debt, banned Hua Hin City from football for 2 years, and even if we return, it will be in a lower division:
กรณีหัวหินพักทีมกลางคัน ปรับ1แสน ห้ามแข่งขัน 2 ปี และลดชั้น 1 ดิวิชั่น
“เรือใบสีขาว” วานา นาวา หัวหิน ซิตี้ หลังประกาศพักทีม ทำเอาช็อควงการดิวิชั่น 2 ล่าสุดมีหนังสือจากทางฝ่ายจัดการแข่งขันดิวิชั่น ว่าด้วยเรื่องบทลงโทษในกรณีพักทีมกลางคัน

โดยหนังสือแจ้งไปยังสโมสร ระบุโทษดังนี้

3.13 การถอนทีมระหว่างการแข่งขันหรือถูก “สมาคม” ลงโทษถอนทีมก่อนออกจากการแข่งขันกลางคัน หรือล้มละลาย หรือถูกศาลตัดสิน ให้หมดสิทธิเข้าร่วมการแข่งขัน หรือลงทำการแข่งขันจะถูก ปรับเงิน 100,000 บาท และห้ามไม่ให้เข้าร่วมการแข่งขันฟุตบอลที่ “สมาคม” จัดขึ้นทุกประเภทเป็นเวลา 2 ปี การเข้าร่วมการแข่งขันใหม่ต้องลดดิวิชั่นลงไป 1 ระดับ และต้องส่งเงินสนับสนุน ทีมที่ได้รับไปแล้วทั้งหมดคืน และให้ยกเลิกผลการแข่งขันของทีมทั้งสิ้น ยกเว้นโทษที่เกิดจากการตัดสิน
Hua hin case break in the middle of the team adjust $ 1 FORBIDDEN TO COMPETE FOR 2 YEARS AND LOWER LEVEL 1 Division.
"White Sailboat" Nirvana ships, hua hin city after announcing a break team shock hole plus the division 2 a latest book from the side of the invitational division about penalty in case of a break in the middle of the team.
By The Book Club report to identify blame:
3.13 withdrawals team during the race or be "Association" punishment withdraw from the competition team before in the middle of the night or bankruptcy or court judge all rights to join the competition, or down to do the tournament will be paid 100,000 baht and not allowed to join the football tournament The "Association" held every type for 2 years. Joining a new competition to lower division down 1 level and need to send the money for the team that has been gone all night and to cancel the race results of the team. Except blame what happened from the Judge
So, how do we pay our outstanding debt and fine? Who will pour that sort of money into a non-entity. To me, it sounds as though as well as deciding we're not going to pay last season's wages, the club needs to declare bankruptcy. I know we'll never find out, but it would be interesting to know what outrageous wages last season's mediocre team were commanding. Also what did the army of backroom staff cost?

I can't see this baby rising from the ashes. Probably the only option is to start a brand new football team with a completely new identity.
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Well, this tells us a lot http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/ ... l-bankrupt

I reckon Hua Hin probably got wind of this, and just threw in the towel.
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The grapevine has it that Hua Hin City has risen from the ashes - no more information yet, but fingers crossed. If anybody hears any more, please post here.

I'm reading Thai translations, but my wife is also reading the Thai as well - it looks genuine.

Nothing actually substantiated yet.
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must say that its unbeliveble reading this tale about the club,but TIT so everything goes I think.

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The official page now reads:
Translated wrote:Waiting for good news. The inhabitants of the sailing white.
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Feeling full of positivity, and not having had time to arrange anything yet, is anybody interested in sharing the cost cost of hiring a mini-bus to Nonthaburi on Saturday if the game is on?
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Saturday's Match at Nonthaburi is Definitely On

OK guys, I've had it confirmed that Saturday's match will happen.

I'm am definitely going - I didn't realise that losing my local football team could hurt so much :cry: .

The current state of play is that there are 5 seats taken on a mini bus. If we don't fill a mini bus, then I will drive (all seats taken I'm afraid). I will make the decision at 6pm tomorrow (Thursday).

If you'd like a seat on a mini bus, please let me know asap.
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I will have one seat on the bus Saturday BB.

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LOL one dropped off, so you make it back up to 5 again. Still hopeful, but if we can't get any of the Thais interested, it's unlikely a mini-bus will be a goer. My car has 3 definites and waiting on an answer from 2 others. In the event they say no, then you are number 1 on the reserve list.

[Edit] I've just shared the message with the Thai supporters association.
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Good news - the Supporters organisation are doing a mini-bus (hopefully), so I have booked 5 seats with them ................. watch this space.

I prefer a Thai organise it - not so likely to get ripped off by taxi firm.
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Am I included in one of the 5 seats on the supporters bus ?

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