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Big Boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:04 am
Then, there are 57 other countries using it, I assume at the same cost. The Sinovac marketing team must be the best in the world, selling an inferior product for 8x the cost of a product that is advertised as being better. Are all of these countries just as stupid/corrupt? Maybe.
It has nothing to do with the product.
These countries do not want to piss China off because it pours billions into their infrastructure and keeps them on tight leash. It is all way too much politics and far too little science.
Who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed? - Hunter S Thompson
What I don't understand is the countries which have a high percentage of vaccination (and no Sinovac) have now an amazing increase in cases and death
Makes you wonder ?
buksida wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:11 am
It has nothing to do with the product.
These countries do not want to piss China off because it pours billions into their infrastructure. It all too much politics and too little science.
I hear what you're saying, and it makes sense - much of it has already gone through my mind. I'm not disagreeing with anybody. What I'm trying to say is we all suspect many things about what is going on, and we can find written evidence, penned by 'experts' (how many of these 'experts' were known to us before Covid?) to support every string of our thought process. However, everybody is either trying to rubbish everybody else, or just tell people that theirs is best. We can either believe or disbelieve any claims. The only fact is we won't know the truth for many years - I suspect I'll be dead long before the truth comes out.
Some call it Project Fear. I think Project Confusion is nearer the mark.
joelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:18 am
What I don't understand is the countries which have a high percentage of vaccination (and no Sinovac) have now an amazing increase in cases and death
Makes you wonder ?
This is what I was saying a few days ago about Bangkok. They've been pumping the 'better' vaccines into the arms of Bangkokians for months. I would have expected to have seen a little improvement by now.
joelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:18 am
What I don't understand is the countries which have a high percentage of vaccination (and no Sinovac) have now an amazing increase in cases and death
Makes you wonder ?
^^^ Yes, Israel is a good example. 78% of the population age 12+ vaccinated (mostly with Pfizer) but they're experiencing one of the highest infection rates in the world currently (650 cases per million people). Of course the hospitalisations and deaths are still lower with the vaccinated, but they're a case study showing that the benefits of the vaccination ebb over time. Pfizer appears to lose some of its ability to protect after 6 months. Hence they're giving 3rd Pfizer booster shots for over 60s which appears to be slowing down the infection rates.
The UK are also looking at booster shots in September but limited to only the vulnerable for now until further data is available.
Basically, it seems that whatever jab/jabs you get, you're probably going to need a booster of some sort with the ever changing variants. (Edit: and then wash, rinse and repeat every year. If you didn't already, get a few shares in pharmaceutical companies. )
I don't trust children. They're here to replace us.
But reducing something considerably is not the same as eliminating it. So, for instance, before getting vaccinated the chances of a 90-year-old catching and dying of COVID-19 were estimated to be roughly 2.8%.
After getting the jabs, the chances of the same illustrative 90-year-old catching and dying the disease are reduced to around 0.14%.
It's a very big reduction, but that jabbed 90-year-old nonetheless faces a roughly similar risk profile as an unjabbed 60-year-old (0.12%). Same thing for an 80-year-old, whose jabbed risk profile is close to that of an unjabbed 50-year-old. And so on.
The point here is that even if the vaccines were doing exactly what we expected of them, some people, especially the elderly, are still quite likely to die of COVID-19 - especially if there's a lot of it around.
Consider hospitalisations. Of the vaccinated people, some 3.5% were hospitalised. Of the unvaccinated people, some 8.4% were hospitalised.
In other words, the rate of hospitalisations per case was 2.4 times higher among those who were unvaccinated.
Or consider deaths. Of the vaccinated people who had caught Delta, around 2% sadly died. Of the unvaccinated people who had caught delta, around 5.6% died. Deaths-per-case among the unvaccinated were almost three times higher than in the vaccinated group.
Quite a long read but explained in simple language with lots of infographs. Makes a lot of sense.
Basically, it seems that whatever jab/jabs you get, you're probably going to need a booster of some sort with the ever changing variants. (Edit: and then wash, rinse and repeat every year.
Exactly what's been happening with the 'flu jab for many years. The shot is modified twice a year in advance. Much of it being guesswork when some years they guess better than other years.
Basically, it seems that whatever jab/jabs you get, you're probably going to need a booster of some sort with the ever changing variants. (Edit: and then wash, rinse and repeat every year.
Exactly what's been happening with the 'flu jab for many years. The shot is modified twice a year in advance. Much of it being guesswork when some years they guess better than other years.
Difference with the flu jabs is, I think, they're only really targeted at the elderly/vulnerable? (I've certainly never had one nor been encouraged to get one). Big Pharma are gonna have a field day with the covid jabs.
But, yes, it seems like it's gonna be exactly the same process.
I don't trust children. They're here to replace us.
Compared to the 2019-2020 flu season, for example, the CDC estimated that more than 38 million became sick with influenza, leading to 400,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths. That’s slightly lower than the 2018-2019 season (34,200 deaths) and significantly less than the 2017-2018 season (61,000 deaths).
Worldwide, 'flu deaths range between 250,000 - 500,000 with 3 - 5 million seriously ill.
A lot of people have simply not grasped the fact that pharmaceutical companies are not in business to cure people but to sell drugs. Do you really think they want to find a cure for the flu when they can sell flu vaccines year after year! Covid is just another huge business opportunity - imagine if the worlds population requires a covid booster jab every six months for the next twenty years......the pharmaceutical sector is a very cynical and commercially driven business sector.
It's impossible to find a cure for 'flu simply because it mutates every year. If it was a 'stable' virus then a cure could be found.
“We’ve managed to eradicate smallpox and have almost eradicated polio, but I don’t think this could happen with flu,” says Oxford. “Unlike the others, it’s a bird virus. We’d need to kill every migrating duck, swan and goose on the planet.”
Now unlike measles, which comes in only one form, the influenza virus comes in several forms and changes year to year. And that's why each year we're pretty much susceptible to the influenza virus that's going around. And that's why we have to get vaccinated against influenza each year in the fall. And that's the best way to protect ourselves against this very serious disease. Getting ourselves vaccinated, and getting everyone in our family vaccinated.
Listening to Sky News at the moment, and they are saying it will be more effective in the UK if they mix n'match vaccines in the UK for the booster shot. Who knows, maybe the Thai 'experts' knew what they were saying
[Edit] Of course, just another version of the truth
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