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Dictators being dictators, this has nothing to do with CO19. They want to prevent a student uprising and inevitable protests against the junta's absolute power, so the ED is likely to remain a permanent feature.

At least until the facial recognition cameras are in place.

^^ Good reason for everybody to wear masks.

nil wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:55 am

HHTel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:24 am I'd already read that report. Unlike your implication, it doesn't bode well for natural immunity.

“These reports highlight the need to develop strong vaccines, because immunity that develops naturally during infection is suboptimal and short-lived in most people,” she said. “We cannot rely on natural infection to achieve herd immunity.”

Of course you will pick the one quote from that particular doctor whereas the rest of the research quoted indicates we will probably have immunity from either T cells or memory B cells ramping up antibody production when needed.

But this virus had been circulating since last year and how many reports are there of reinfection. The only ones I am aware of are the false alarm where the PCR tests amplified and gave a false positive from dead viral fragments from recovered patients.

And using the word 'probably' yourself highlights the fact that we are reading opinions, not solid scientific evidence!

One new case today from quarantine. Day 31 of net-zero

According to the CCSA. (Will be my standard disclaimer in the future).

nil wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:47 pm A large proportion of them came from deaths in care homes after the government ordered the hospital’s to move the the elderly into homes hence spreading the virus. I hope this is fully investigated in the inevitable enquiry.

Do you know the actual numbers moved? There is a huge demand for care homes so it's not as if there is unlimited free space.

Many countries underestimated the effects on care homes, including Sweden and France.

Out of curiosity, where do you think they should have been moved to?

One of the UK's strengths / weaknesses is its comprehensive counting of covid deaths. Any case remotely linked to a death is counted, upon a Doctor adding it to a death cert. So those already on deaths door get included in the stats, as well as cases where it might not have been present at all. And certainly not passed off as another strain of influenza.

There is so much about this disease that is still unknown.....

Covid-free Mexican mother gives birth to triplets who test positive for Covid-19

https://thethaiger.com/news/world/covid ... r-covid-19

Mexican health authorities are baffled after a healthy, Covid-free mother has given birth to triplets who tested positive for the virus. The babies’ father was also covid-free, making it the first reported case of its kind. The triplets, a girl and two boys, were tested last week, four hours after being born at 7 1/2 months. Initially, authorities thought the mother was an asymptomatic carrier of the virus, but tests showed she never had the virus.

Doctors said one baby has pneumonia but is in stable condition, while the other two appear to be healthy. Nevertheless, the babies will remain in the hospital under observation.

The triplets were born in the central Mexican state of San Luis Potosí and tested for coronavirus on June 17. The state’s Health Secretary Monica Rangel said premature births are routinely given a blood test.

“The test results came back positive three days later. The triplets we are monitoring are stable. One of them continues using an antibiotic, but they are doing well. We hope this continues so they can be reunited with their parents soon.

The parents of the triplets both tested negative for coronavirus. She said they have been able to see their newborn babies through video calls only at this stage.

“What we need to look at is a situation where perhaps [the virus] is being transmitted through the placenta. That’s not something that we can be sure of. Those are theories that we have to look at. It’s a new virus. There still is not literature available internationally on this issue, but it will be worth reviewing.”

Mexico has reported more than 190,000 coronavirus cases and a total of 23,377 deaths, making it seventh in most virus-related deaths in the world, according to a Reuters tally.

caller wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:04 pm

nil wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:47 pm A large proportion of them came from deaths in care homes after the government ordered the hospital’s to move the the elderly into homes hence spreading the virus. I hope this is fully investigated in the inevitable enquiry.

Do you know the actual numbers moved? There is a huge demand for care homes so it's not as if there is unlimited free space.

Many countries underestimated the effects on care homes, including Sweden and France.

Out of curiosity, where do you think they should have been moved to?

One of the UK's strengths / weaknesses is its comprehensive counting of covid deaths. Any case remotely linked to a death is counted, upon a Doctor adding it to a death cert. So those already on deaths door get included in the stats, as well as cases where it might not have been present at all. And certainly not passed off as another strain of influenza.

Figures released by NHS England show 25,060 patients were moved from hospitals to care homes between 17 March and mid-April, when guidance was formally changed to ensure testing took place.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... care-homes

We knew early on that the elderly are most vulnerable to this virus and the residents of care homes are generally not in the best health which makes them higher risk. Moving hospital patients who could have coronavirus to care homes was the worst possible thing to do.

The impact of the virus was totally overestimated by the scientific advisors and the NHS was not stretched with the emergency Nightingale hospitals remaining mainly empty.

America has successfully beaten their previous record of same day coronavirus infections. I'd venture a guess this has much to do with dumbass protesters and moronic beach goers.

Westerners, particularly the younger generation, are as stupid as an inflatable dart board for the most part.

#winners

Two statics are usually presented. Deaths which are probably close to the truth, doesnt depend on a test and numbers of cases, depends on testing rate and is not a good measure, another 2 are --Hospitilzations and covid pts in icu beds which are a good indicators. In Florida the last 2 mentioned are rising quickly.

nil wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:28 pmFigures released by NHS England show 25,060 patients were moved from hospitals to care homes between 17 March and mid-April, when guidance was formally changed to ensure testing took place.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... care-homes

We knew early on that the elderly are most vulnerable to this virus and the residents of care homes are generally not in the best health which makes them higher risk. Moving hospital patients who could have coronavirus to care homes was the worst possible thing to do.

The impact of the virus was totally overestimated by the scientific advisors and the NHS was not stretched with the emergency Nightingale hospitals remaining mainly empty.

Thanks for your reply.

I haven't gone into the full statistical data linked to the report. But I am amazed they could find spaces for so many in care homes. Mind you, my experience is from a few years ago.

I always double check what has been written in the Guardian, as its political agenda never lurks far below the surface, so the throwaway line that place of death should be recorded as the care home even if they died in hospital (or words to that effect, I am struggling on a new tablet away from home which is causing me grief), suggests further stats are needed pre the date that the elderly were moved into care homes to compare numbers of deaths before and after.

I take your point about Nightingale wards, but no-one expected them to be as little used as they were, with the expectation tomorrow will be the day when the flood arrives. It never did.

My nephew is a GP and his practise looks after a few care homes on their patch. He doesn't share the hysteria around this move (although strongly critical of the handling of the virus generally). It goes back to the same issue. Many were already on deaths door.

HHTel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:24 pm One new case today from quarantine. Day 31 of net-zero

According to the CCSA. (Will be my standard disclaimer in the future).

OK, we've established that we can't believe a word spoken by the CCSA. However, an interesting revelation in today's brief. Yesterday's victim arrived in Thailand on the 9th and found to have the virus on the 24th. Using the 14 day rule, when I went to school, that makes him a local infection. Can somebody check my maths please?

On a similar theme, the guy doing the speaking doesn't even know what day it is.

^^ The report in Bangkok Post makes more sense and would have been based on the original Thai briefing. https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... -returnees

Student groups, opposition question extension to State of Emergency until end of July
Following proposals by the government on Thursday to extend the State of Emergency (SOE) for a third time until the end of July, student groups and opposition MPs have come out to question its necessity.

Somsak Rongsita, National Security Council Secretary-General, said on Thursday that the extension of the SOE would better facilitate Phase 5 of easing lockdown measures which will see a return to normalcy for the country.

Somsak added that the extension of the SOE was not politically motivated.

Opposition concerns
Despite assurances by Somsak, student protest leaders and an opposition MP told Thai Enquirer on Friday that they did not believe that an extension of the SOE was warranted.

“I think that it is not necessary now because for the past 30 days there have been only infections coming from abroad,” said Taopiphop Lim, a Move Forward MP. “This shows that it is under control and there is no need for the [SOE]. State mechanisms are able to function very well.”

Netiwit Chotiphatphaisal, a prominent student activist studying at Chulalongkorn University, told Thai Enquirer that he felt the SOE was no longer necessary.

“Besides controlling the protest, the government is extending the SOE to do things without being scrutinized. Even people that protest about Wanchalearm are said to violate the SOE. It gives the state legal grounds to [harass] people,” he said. “I believe that they trying to make the SOE as a new normal which would not end in July, but could be extended to the end of the year.”

Bunkueanun Paothong, a protest leader at Mahidol University, agreed with Netiwit and said that the SOE was a tool used by the government to control people.

“It no more than an attempt by the establishment to control the people,” he told Thai Enquirer. “Since the government does not have article 44 as they use to in the past, the SOE is their lifeline now.”

https://www.thaienquirer.com/14902/stud ... d-of-july/

"In a democracy, you believe it or not; in a dictatorship, you believe it or else." -Evan Esar

hhinner wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:14 pm ^^ The report in Bangkok Post makes more sense and would have been based on the original Thai briefing. https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... -returnees

Not really. At least, I can't see any reference in that report regarding yesterday's announcement, unless it's the bullet stating just one more, but when you read that, the report doesn't really bear any relation to what was said in the brief. However, I did say the guy didn't even know what day it was.

It’s hardly worth reading - you can’t believe anything that’s written!!


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