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Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:47 am
by thecolonel
nil wrote:There is also the possibility of this virus mutating (already is according to some unofficial reports) so even if you have already had it you could catch another variant.
Yes apparently a man in China/Japan was tested pos/neg/pos within a month or so.
But hopefully this would be exceptional
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Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:53 am
by PeteC
The below may fill in the blanks for some people. I have no link for it, but it comes from a trusted family medical source. Nothing really controversial in it, just basic information.
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Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...
It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.
Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.
Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.
Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..
H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.
Fast forward.
Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”
This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.
And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..
That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.
We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.
Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...
And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.
Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now.
Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:56 am
by HHTel
Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:57 am
by centermid7
^^ I must say I'm not so sure about this info. Influenza is a RNA virus as is West Nile, the common cold, measles, rabies, and others along with the Covid-19.
Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:56 pm
by PeteC
***** Important*****
All inbound air passengers must have Covid-free certificates
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... rtificates
The Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand now requires all air passengers, Thai and foreign, to show Covid-19-free health certificates and Covid-19 insurance before boarding their flights to Thailand.
CAAT governor Chula Sukmanop announced the condition, and other requirements, on Wednesday as part of government efforts to contain novel coronavirus disease (Covid-19).
He said arriving passengers who visited China, Hong Kong, Iran, Italy, Macao or South Korea in the past 14 days will be quarantined.
When passengers check in, airlines must check whether they had visited Covid-19 epidemic areas in the previous 14 days.
Airlines must require passengers to present health certificates issued no more than 72 hours before the flight departs. The certificates must guarantee that the passengers are free of Covid-19, regardles where they board.
Airlines must also require that passengers have insurance covering Covid-19 treatment in Thailand, up to at least US$100,000.
Passengers who fail to present the required documents must not be allowed to board their flight to Thailand.
Those who comply and are allowed to board must provide the address of their accommodation in Thailand, either by written forms or by AOT mobile phone app.
CAAT also requires airlines to seat passengers as far as possible from each other, and to disinfect their planes - among other preventive measures.
Mr Chula said Thai disease control officials were authorised to isolate aircraft and quarantine passengers.
Airlines that fail to comply must pay for the subsequent transport, quarantine and treatment of passengers, and the cost of related cases of disease control.
Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:59 pm
by Dannie Boy
That just about stops all tourism in Thailand for the foreseeable future
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Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:59 pm
by PeteC
Seeing that the test is expensive, can't be easily obtained at present in many countries, won't be done in many places if a person doesn't show symptoms, and takes up to 6 days (I've read) to issue the results....travel to Thailand is going to become extremely difficult.
Edit: This is one of those things that may not have been well thought out (again). I would expect an amendment or two coming up.
Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:25 pm
by ahandpatsy
Ive been tested in england 8 days ago still waiting for the results
Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:08 pm
by Big Boy
Today's instruction:
Very bad translation:
Order of the Communicable Disease Committee in Prachuap Khiri Khan Province 1/2018 on urgent measures to prevent the crisis from coronary diseases in 2019, according to the announcement of the Ministry of Public Health on names and important symptoms of dangerous communicable diseases. B.E. 2556, dated February 26, B.E. 2556, announced the coronary viral infection 2019 or Kovid disease 19 as a contagious disease: dangerous according to the Communicable Disease Act B.E. Later, the Ministry of Public Health announced the area outside the kingdom that is a dangerous communicable disease in the case of coronary artery disease 2019, dated 6 March B.E. 2523, as a surveillance, prevention and control of coronary disease. 2019 in the area of Prachuap Khiri Khan Province by virtue of Section 35 of the Communicable Disease Act B.E. Prof. B.E. 2554 together with the Communicable Disease Committee of Prachuap Khiri Khan Province on March 18, 2020, therefore has the following orders:
1. Mats on Songkran holidays (13-15 April 2020)
6. Close the places that are at risk of spreading Coronary Virus Infection 2019 in Prachuap Khiri Khan province is temporary as follows:
1. 1 Close boxing stadium, chicken fighting stadium, cow fighting stadium, fish biting competition, bird sounds competition, fitness birds in both government and And private companies from now until April 1, 2020.
2. 2 to close the authorized service places according to the Act Temporary service centers, B.E. 2509, Section 3, from now until April 6, 2020.
2. The establishments that are open in a manner similar to the service place, such as breweries, pubs, bars, karaoke shops, game shops, entertainment places. Etc., from now until April 1, 2020.
2.4 Closing health establishments under the Health Act B.E. B.E. 2554 - including traditional massage salons, spas, beauty salons, as well as massages at public places from now until April 1, 2020.
3. Peat theaters. (Movie theaters) from now until 3 April 2020
4. To refrain from moving foreign workers, including foreign workers to avoid returning to their homeland from now on until the situation is resolved.
5. To all educational institutions. International schools, tutoring institutions, child development centers and all institutions closed from now until 31 March.
5. To refrain from activities or events that include large numbers of people which may be at high risk of the spread of coronary infections in 2019, such as concerts, fairs, religious, cultural and sporting events. Unless it is an important activity from now on until the situation is resolved / 7, refrain from activities
7. To refrain from activities that have movement of people across the province of agencies with many people, such as military camps, prisons, schools, factories, or if necessary to move, measures must be taken in accordance with the Ministry of Public Health regarding prevention and control of infectious diseases. Corona virus 2019 for places that have a large number of people from now on until the situation is resolved.
4. Let the workplace. Government agencies, private enterprises, reduce congestion by working hours, time breaks, eating time, and seating at least 2 meters apart.
4. Having a teleconferencing instead of meeting together and promoting electronic transaction systems and Online trading for the general public
10. Reducing the risk of spreading in places where people use a lot of services, such as department stores. In the case of government offices and state enterprises, the owners of the premises themselves will be screened for screening fever, washing hands with 70% alcohol, placing 70% alcohol, washing hands at the points that are used in conjunction, and providing cleaning facilities to cover "every point The service focuses on cleaning the contact surfaces and toilets.
11. Community meeting places, markets, shops, restaurants provide health care and prevention of infections of staff and people. Before the event, wear a mask, wash your hands with 70% alcohol or soap to clean the surface, touch toilets and garbage disposal.
12. Reduce the risk of infection in public transportation within the country by measuring staff fever. And passengers often wear a mask and wash their hands with 70% alcohol. The caretaker cleans the area of the handle, seat, front console, armrest with liquid. Clean or 20% alcohol before and after pick-up and drop off passengers
13. Allow the general public to use a cloth mask when traveling to a place where there are a large number of people.
14. Allow foreigners, including Thais traveling from foreign countries Declare to be a contagious disease area and a country with ongoing outbreaks to use the tracking application 25. Request for cooperation from government agencies, state enterprises, local administrative organizations SRGB and private cleaning time (Big Cleaning) every week and increase the frequency of cleaning public places steadily from now. Onwards until the situation has been resolved. This can be followed by live broadcasting from the Thailand Broadcasting Station (NBT) and broadcasting via the Thailand Broadcasting Station, Prachuap Khiri Khan (Sor. Sor. Prachuap Khiri Khan) FM 102.25 MHz, from 14: 00-15. .00 hrs. Every day.
Ordered on the 19th of March. Prof. 2523 LAS (Mr. Panlop Singhaseni), Prachuap Khiri Khan Governor, Chairman of the Communicable Disease Committee, Prachuap Khiri Khan
Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:09 pm
by sateeb
To be honest Pete C I think it's a step in the right direction. On a personal level I wouldn't even dream of travelling anywhere in this moment of time, and I know that doesn't sit well with those stuck away from home but let's face it we are in the middle of the most deadly pandemic since the Spanish Flu.
Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:30 pm
by hhinner
I'd probably feel happier if they fenced off Bangkok.
Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:46 pm
by PeteC
sateeb wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:09 pm
To be honest Pete C I think it's a step in the right direction. On a personal level I wouldn't even dream of travelling anywhere in this moment of time, and I know that doesn't sit well with those stuck away from home but let's face it we are in the middle of the most deadly pandemic since the Spanish Flu.
Yes, I agree. If you think about it, it is a deterrent for people not to come at all more than anything else. I wonder if the Tourism Ministry and/or the Cabinet was in on the decision at all? I'm sure there will be follow up articles. Stay tuned....
Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:03 pm
by PeteC
Confusion and internal disagreement already concerning the Free of Covid-19 health certificate issue.
https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/cri ... rtificate/
Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:50 pm
by sateeb
It was probably clear enough before Prayut opened his gob as usual.

Re: Wuhan Virus Precautions
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:51 pm
by PeteC
I'm starting to give up on this stuff. Perhaps best to post nothing reported for at least 24 hours after the first story.
Travellers from 15 countries must have Covid-free certificates
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... rtificates