Normal tip for caddie in Hua Hin ?

[Johan]

For that you should play official competitions and have the thai card, right ? Because french handicap and american handicap are not the same, and we can't change it as we live in Thailand.

[poosmate]

I can sense PET closing in ready to pounce.

[PAINTER V2]

I allways tip 300, sometimes when I,ve taken longer I give a little more, never had a massage half way round though

[bozzman101]

200 is more than enought if a poor bugger working his ass off on a building site gets 200-300 a day for 12 hours work a caddy job is a walk in the park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PAINTER V2]

I consider the bit extra as compensation for having to walk around in the company of me!!

[robe]

200 is more than enought if a poor bugger working his ass off on a building site gets 200-300 a day for 12 hours work a caddy job is a walk in the park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bozzman 101
Totally agree with you 100%
You buy a service for about 250 baht and then you should give more than what the service costs in tip ????.
When you eat at a restaurant for 250 baht, how much tip you leave then? do not think there is more than about 25-50 baht?
The same goes for massage is it 300 Baht in tip then too?

[Johan]

Thai people tip after a massage, for a 150 baht massage they will leave arround 100 to 200 bahts each time.

Thai caddies are expensive in tips, me too i don't understand why we should pay them two times. But if you calculate a little you will understand it.

They get 200 Bahts for each time they go on the course, they can't go everyday because have a lot of caddies, then maybe they have week-ends like normal people, so 22 days working days per month is not enough to make more than 4400 bahts, if they can work everyday. Without tip they wouldn't survive i believe.

Same as massage girls, without tip they don't have enough money, i know that because i had a massage shop in Bangkok.

The working guys who work in the construction are not thais, they come from Myanmar. That's why they accept that small salary. Thai people wouldn't work for that little money.

I'm the first saying that i don't like to tip caddies, but as demostrated we need to. The golf courses should raise the prices of caddies to 400-450 bahts, but then people will believe is too expensive and then stop playing, even if they spend the exact same money, they will believe they are spending more.

This is just marketing, if you don't like to tip just do like me, give the average thai tip anytime you play, never more, never less. 100 baht per 9 holes is more than enough, it's the thai average. Some tip more if they like the girl or want to have a "big face" in front of them, or if they don't want to look like cheap people. I believe very rich people will tip more as they don't want to loose the face by tipping 200 bahts when they drive a ferrari to the club house.

[BaaBaa.]

200 is more than enough if a poor bugger working his ass off on a building site gets 200-300 a day for 12 hours work a caddy job is a walk in the park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The working guys who work in the construction are not thais, they come from Myanmar. That's why they accept that small salary. Thai people wouldn't work for that little money.

They will and do, my Girlfriends brother gets 7000 a month in a factory in BKK. That's under 300 a day if he works a 6 day week.

[Johan]

Factory and working in construction... is not the same

For construction only Myanmar people will do it, same in France, we have people from poor countries who work in the construction (illegaly of course). Not everywhere for sure, but in many places.

Anyway the factory working people will get more money than a caddie without tip.

[poosmate]

Plenty of Thais work for 6000 Baht per month. The national minimum wage is less than 200 Baht per day.Most construction workers are Thai from the northeast
Johan As you ran a massage shop how did you get Thais to work for you for so little then? Or we they from Burma. Did you not feel ashamed paying people less than they could survive on?

Oh and another thing:

Thai people tip after a massage, for a 150 baht massage they will leave arround 100 to 200 bahts each time.

IMO rubbish.

[Johan]

I paid them monthly salary, between 10K and 14K each plus tip. After 3 months i was broke. Too many little customers and too many asking for discounts, how they can ask a discount on a 5 EUR massage for an hour by trained staff and don't leave a tip ? This people make me ouac. And believe me, very difficult to find thai girls for work for cheap, the only ones who wanted were prostitutes and i didn't accepted the tip for hand job in my shop so they moved on in less than a week.

Never seen any thai construction worker or any thai working on a fishing boat or any thai working on samed island or ... anything. They are all from Burma. I've asked them, they can't even read thai or speak it fluently. The guy who drive them is thai, the workers are not thai. Even if you think they are thai, they are not. How you can be sure without asking them ?

In the factories have real thai workers, so your example is not working. Ask any thai and you will have confirmation. Most of the employees of bad jobs are not thai.

[poosmate]

I will write this more slowly so you can understand. MOST construction workers are from the north-east of Thailand ( Esarn). I have met and employed several hundred of them and have worked with them for more than 6 years.I was not referring to specific examples of where you have found Burmese. I am talking about Hua Hin and Bangkok where I have had experience. As you seem to claim to understand Thai ( and still be so naive about aspects of normal life in Thailand) you will also know that the local dialect spoken in Esarn is quite different to Thai.

I liked your joke of not accepting a tip in your shop for a hand job. Was it free?

[BaaBaa.]

Ask any thai and you will have confirmation. Most of the employees of bad jobs are not thai.

That sentence is brilliant on so many levels, I actually can't stop laughing to myself.

[Johan]

I will write this more slowly so you can understand. MOST construction workers are from the north-east of Thailand ( Esarn). I have met and employed several hundred of them and have worked with them for more than 6 years.I was not referring to specific examples of where you have found Burmese. I am talking about Hua Hin and Bangkok where I have had experience. As you seem to claim to understand Thai ( and still be so naive about aspects of normal life in Thailand) you will also know that the local dialect spoken in Esarn is quite different to Thai.

I liked your joke of not accepting a tip in your shop for a hand job. Was it free?

Well, i have small experience but in all of these experiences i never seen any thai.

I understand thai a little, "aspects of normal life" ? What is that ? I know a lot of THAI PEOPLE who don't even know that they need a license to drive a motorbike, so please... the "aspects of normal life" are different for anyone. I'm naive in some aspects, not for all. For example, i never had a car before yesterday, so yes i'm naive about this aspect. I never seen anyone gambling at the golf course too, so i'm naive about that too. But... i know many others things that are not discussed here, because as i know them i don't need to ask about them.

And in my shop the sex wasn't accepted, that's not legal in Thailand and i wanted to do things right, that didn't worked, it was an experience and i'm happy with it, even if i've lost some money, experience is priceless for me. I have learned a lot about thai girls and doing a small business in thai, for very cheap.

Anyway, you are very naive if you think that thai people don't use cheap workers from Myanmar a lot, in every way they can.

[BaaBaa.]

Johan, the point was that you said a Thai would not work for 200-300 baht in reply to this.

200 is more than enough if a poor bugger working his ass off on a building site gets 200-300 a day for 12 hours work a caddy job is a walk in the park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They do, it's the average wage.

A McDonalds or 7 Eleven worker will only earn about 30 baht an hour, My Girlfriends brother earns 7000 a month, his Boss (his uncle) earns 20'000, which is a fairly good wage.

As for the Thai's not working in construction, they do. My Girlfriends Father worked in Bangkok for very little money, he had an accident, couldn't afford care and died at the grand old age of 40.

Her Brother and a number of his friends have also worked in construction in Hua Hin, her Mother was getting paid about 200b a day only last week for some sort of labouring on the construction site of a school in Surin.

People in Isaan will do hard graft on a rice farm for 150b a day if there's nothing else.