Hua Hin, the next Pattaya?

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simmo116 wrote:have allways found pattya as an erotic blackpool. (shudder) much prefered jomtien down the road. countind down the days now to our first time in HH cant wait. it would be a shame if anywhere became like pattaya.
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simmo116 wrote:have allways found pattya as an erotic blackpool.
That's funny; I've always found it about as erotic as Blackpool.
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The next Pattaya, no way!

50 years ago Pattaya was a small fishing village.
45 years ago during the Vietnam war it became known for cheap beer and cheap women.
Still known for that today.
That is why people go there PRIMARILY.

25 years ago Hua Hin was a small fishing village.
Tourists in general do not come here PRIMARILY for the beer and women.
Still more a Thai destination than Farang.
Still more condos owned by Thais.
Royal presence will never let this be a Pattaya.

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I would compare Hua Hin more with Phuket than Pattaya. I think it's more in line there with the prices and real estate growth and targeting of tourists and retirees.
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hhfarang wrote:I would compare Hua Hin more with Phuket than Pattaya. I think it's more in line there with the prices and real estate growth and targeting of tourists and retirees.
But even Phuket is far removed from HH and has far more bars (in Patong) and everything else that goes with it. HH is developing at a fair old rate, a lot of it commercially which has its advantages (much greater choice) as well as disadvantages (much more traffic/people) but it is still nothing like the other popular Thai resort destinations.
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JAFO wrote:As my GF noticed the sex trade is becoming quite open and obvious now and I see more and more drunk staggering foreigners in public.
Huh? Where were you and at what time?

I was downtown a couple of weeks ago and took a slow turn around the Bintabaht/Selakam block about 9:30 PM. If anything, the 'sex trade' was a lot quieter than it was four or five years ago or even a couple of years ago. There were girls available, but it was pretty tame. A couple of calls of 'Welcome' but not much else. No bar girls or massage girls tried to drag me into their establishments, which would have happened a few years ago.

Traffic is abysmal and HH is being built up way too fast but the target demographic seems to be Bangkok weekenders, not sex tourists. Later in the evening I saw a few guys who might have been there for the girls, but the vast majority of foreign tourists I saw were couples and families.

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HHADFan wrote:No bar girls or massage girls tried to drag me into their establishments, which would have happened a few years ago.
Maybe you're just getting less 'Hansum' in your old age? :laugh:
Traffic is abysmal and HH is being built up way too fast.
But hasn't it always been like this in HuaHin on the weekends? I'd been coming here for 7 years before I moved, and I always remember traffic being pretty horrific.
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Most of these beach resort towns/cities are going to get built up and become more populated and popular with locals and holidaying foreigners alike with 'services' available inline to cater for what demand there is/will be.

It's true that there is usually a small 'entertainment' area in most cities somewhere but outside of the traditional tourist destinations the Thai authorities are quite reluctant to let it get too 'out-of-hand' and only really let it go as far as 'soapy' fish bowl places, "massage" shops and 'coyote'/hostess bars which is what the Thai guys generally go for as opposed to the 'in-your-face' obvious style that foreigners patron most of the time.

However, the next Pattaya? That's very unlikely as there is nowhere really anywhere in the world that's like that place (even Angeles City in the Phillies)....yes, you have a couple of other smaller copies of the place here in LOS but it's very unlikely that it will ever resemble that place. The fact too that there is a heavy armed forces presence in Hua Hin and a palace or two around might have some bearing on it as well.

To be honest, I see more and more Thais going to places like Hua Hin as the rise of the emerging middle classes here slowly carries on (plus it's proximity to BBK) as it's getting more expensive to live in these place for foreigners now, which is why over the last 5-7 years there has been a steady exodus of expats away from the beaches to more inland cities where life is more affordable, usually where the partner is from.

From what I read in some places, many estates in HH are full of second homes, whether it be for Thais or foreigners so would guess it's on the way to being a rich folks get-away destination rather than a cheap n sleazy 2 weeks 'let's get our jollies' holiday for the West's garbage.

However, just idle musing on a Sunday afternoon. :cheers:
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Pleng wrote:
HHADFan wrote:No bar girls or massage girls tried to drag me into their establishments, which would have happened a few years ago.
Maybe you're just getting less 'Hansum' in your old age? :laugh:


Started to write that but figured it was a given! :cheers:
Traffic is abysmal and HH is being built up way too fast.
But hasn't it always been like this in HuaHin on the weekends? I'd been coming here for 7 years before I moved, and I always remember traffic being pretty horrific.
I first came here in 2005 and have lived here since 2007 and traffic has always been my pet peeve (or nightmare)!
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For about the past 8 odd years, HH has been marketed as a family destination. For once in a while, TAT has actually achieved its objective, IMO.
Every year, they change their target countries and that's sensible business practice. Not only are the westerners who visit here - in the main - older or with families, but more and more Asians are coming over (Indians, Chinese, Koreans). Also, for the reasons already stated about HH's supposed status as a town/city, those middle class Thais with big cars come on down at every opportunity.
14-18 years ago, HH wasn't the same as it is now. There just wasn't the traffic as most Thais couldn't afford a car. There weren't the bars in the same numbers because most westerners hadn't even heard of HH.
HH like Pattaya? Well, as I've mentioned, I've never been to Pattaya but I do remember one person telling me that I should go there - just to appreciate more the reasons I live here.
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I first went to Pattaya back in 1980,when it was pretty much a one street place, I never returned until 1998 when I had business in Rayong and was put up in Pattaya and I could hardly believe the changes that had happened in that time. My first trip to HH was in 2005 and since that time we have seen many changes during our frequent trips back, however we both fervently hope that HH doesn't go the way of Pattaya.

We actually did consider buying a place in Pattaya some years back, as we thought that with the amenities (hospital etc.) being that much more developed and better and the larger expat community, this would be a better place to stay, however having taken all factors into consideration we decided not to and to buy in HH instead and we are really happy that we did so. Our place in HH is now ready and although we will not be full time residents for some time yet, we are looking forward to spending a lot of time there and would be really disappointed if the place did degenerate into a Pattaya type clone. Certainly, as I say, we have seen a lot of changes in HH what with all of the developments and increase in western tourists, not to mention that traffic, which really does become horrendous at the weekends, however we continue to cling to the notion that having the royal palace there will continue to protect HH from rampant exploitation, though God only knows what will happen once the king does pass on.
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The OP was clearly a wind up, but its prompted some good replies. For me Hua Hin is not and never will be anything like Pattaya or Patong. It is Hua Hin and quite different. I agree entirely that the Thai authorities have rather bizarrely planned and controlled the Hua Hin culture very carefully. It is their signature destination for both domestic and international tourism. There will be cycles in its development, but for me the whole Pranburi to Cha-am coastline will end up wall to wall tourism - the place at the start of a 50 year boom.
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I first visited Thailand many years ago. And that was HH.
You know, people whose smiles actually meant something in those days. And I just fell I love with the country. I vowed to return and did so, leaving everything behind.
To hell with it, it just had to done.
It doesn't get any easier ever though I have Thai wife of 8 years now.
Sod it, this country's good but just not the easiest place in the world to adjust to.
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I suppose the worrying issue with expansion is the Infrastructure, such as roads, water supply, sewers, electrical grids, telecommunications, and so forth. Why I was last in HH there was a serious shortage of water. If HH is expanding at a fast rate, how will they cope with all the extra services? Does anyone know where the waste and sewerage goes :?
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