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STEVE G wrote: This is a problem I have, during the day I am all over an airport and during a spare moment I will just use the nearest terminal.
Have you tried Terminal 2 Steve ?

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Guess wrote:Those excluded from that feature are:

People who keep a clean house. I.e removing cookies on exit. I am looking at freeware that will clean cookies with exceptions, and make HHAD and a few others, exceptions.
If you are using Firefox try 'CS Lite' (Tools, Add-ons) which allows you to set cookies on the fly... temporarily, per session or permanently. You can also delete all cookies on exit within FF preferences.
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Super Joe wrote:
STEVE G wrote: This is a problem I have, during the day I am all over an airport and during a spare moment I will just use the nearest terminal.
Have you tried Terminal 2 Steve ?

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SJ, do you realize how big this country is? If Luxembourg Airport had a Terminal 2, it would be in Germany!
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Cookies or Using an internet cafe or multiple machines surely does not affect this does it, as long as you log in? I would think the information about the posts viewed and last log in is stored with your membership details at HHAD HQ isn't it, so cookies wouldn't come into it would they?
I can't remember but i think when i go to the UK and access HHAD from my parent's computer roughly once a year I am still able to log in and view posts since last visit the same as I can in Thailand. I think as long as you log in/log out there isn't a problem, but i could be wrong...
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Wanderlust wrote:Cookies or Using an internet cafe or multiple machines surely does not affect this does it, as long as you log in? I would think the information about the posts viewed and last log in is stored with your membership details at HHAD HQ isn't it, so cookies wouldn't come into it would they?
I can't remember but i think when i go to the UK and access HHAD from my parent's computer roughly once a year I am still able to log in and view posts since last visit the same as I can in Thailand. I think as long as you log in/log out there isn't a problem, but i could be wrong...
you are correct w/lust. i'm logged on at my parents house,i spliced through my broadband cable doing the garden yesterday :cuss:
everything is exactly the same set up as normal :D
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Correct, I use both my work and home PC.
It doesnt affect it.
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am i stating the obvious,if you don't want to read a topic then don't click to open it,when i sign in all the topics are dispayed,anything with new posts are highlighted ,so if i want to read a topic i do if not i pass by,no differant thatb if im shopping i hate cheese so walk past with out looking,or do i seek the manager and demand he removes it from the store,

differant strokes for differant folks

ps; i never read them but plenty of others do
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Wanderlust wrote:Cookies or Using an internet cafe or multiple machines surely does not affect this does it, as long as you log in? I would think the information about the posts viewed and last log in is stored with your membership details at HHAD HQ isn't it, so cookies wouldn't come into it would they?
I can't remember but i think when i go to the UK and access HHAD from my parent's computer roughly once a year I am still able to log in and view posts since last visit the same as I can in Thailand. I think as long as you log in/log out there isn't a problem, but i could be wrong...
Impeccable logic but I had a problem years ago with not being able to use login automatically every visit which has to be cookies. I then asked about why view post since last visit did not work for me and I am sure that Buksi told that they were held in cookies too.

There is no technical reason why that information should not be held on the central database's user profile record except for two things that come to mind.

It is just more data to be downloaded on slow comms lines.

The software handles multiple sessions.

I have certainly lost View Last Posts so I don't bother with it any more. I will test it along with Mr. Plums (thank you) suggestion of using CS Lite and report back.
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Haven't looked deep into the belly of the beast but it seems to use a combination of cookies and session ID's to generate this data. Both of which can be affected by over applying security settings in your browser.
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I have just,

Cleanly exited each tab in Mozilla
Deleted all cookies manually (no HHAD visible)
Closed Mozilla
Deleted all cookies again manually from Docs & Settings/Admin/cookies
Changed IP address
Rebooted
Fired up Mozilla.
Entered HHAD forum
Logged on (log me in automatically unchecked as always)
Lo and behold I got all three View options.

I will try some dirty exits and see what happens.

I reckon your right about the combination of cookies and central database. When thinking about it I can think of a number of reasons why the designers would use cookies. For a start the database can not possibly know what the user has viewed without cookies being used or an intelligent client end. We all use off the shelf free browsers so cookies must be used.

The database will know what pages have been requested and transmitted but not what has been viewed. My guess that in the absence of cookies it assumes that all transmitted pages have been read.

I will do a couple more tests and check the View Posts options in future especially after a crash or Mozilla hanging which has happened a few times.

Also CS Lite needs a try.
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The cookies must be stored on HHAD's server in relation to the log in process.
As long as you can log on from any computer in the world, and HHAD still remember your last visit, the recognition tool must be stored on the mainframe server used by HHAD.
Nothing is stored locally.
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as a keen reader of HHAD, my HH house will be ready on April, I currently live in Tunisia and any problems with my PC have to be sorted out with local French technical speak, not easy for me. My problem is I cannot access my Yahoo e mails, I have tried the diagnostic route but as a computer illiterateI am loathe to delete cookies, (whatever they are),in case I lose any files. Any help would be appreciated.
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The main problem I get on using a work intranet system, is that for some reason it wont leave you logged onto a site for very long, so I only bother to log on when I'm about to post something.
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Arcadian, you should post any computer problems here.

Anyone using an ISP with dynamic variable IP assigning (such as GPRS) will get booted out everytime the IP changes and will have to log in again.

As part of regular housekeeping HHAD also regularly clears out the sessions table in the database which may cause some to lose their "latest topics" if they don't login very often.

Anyway :offtopic: it seems we've had a weekend free of conspiracies :thumb:
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Norseman wrote:The cookies must be stored on HHAD's server in relation to the log in process.
As long as you can log on from any computer in the world, and HHAD still remember your last visit, the recognition tool must be stored on the mainframe server used by HHAD.
Nothing is stored locally.
Its not that simple. I agree that a time stamp can be held on the central computer and it can update your record with every post until you log in again, but it cannot know what you have seen and how does it know when you log out unless it is told by the client.

Don't forget this is a connectionless interface. Session information must be held on the PC for it to verify which log in it is dealing with.

This was always a major issue when developing Internet secure applications such as Internet Banking.

The PC client must keep tabs of the session to verify that the next request is from the logged on user. This is where cookies come in.

If you check Tool/Options/Show Cookies from Mozilla you will see a HHAD entry if you have already started and logged in to HHAD.

Anyway I have it working now that have have disabled a piece of software that deletes cookies periodically.

This means I am relying solely on Spyware Doctor to pick up crapware.

Anyway thanks for the input from everybody.
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