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MG ZS EV electric (2019) review

https://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/174845 ... w#cxrecs_s

Meet the BEV to be had at the moment thanks to tax advantage.

MG Sales Thailand has introduced a battery-electric version of its core-selling ZS compact SUV. It’s the first BEV for the Chinese-owned British brand.

Priced at 1.19 million baht, the ZS EV comes with 150hp electric motor driving the front wheels, 44.5kWh lithium-ion battery and can travel on one charge for 334km under the NEDC driving mode.

The ZS EV is around 200-300k dearer than the combustion-engined model, which has a dated 114hp 1.5-litre petrol engine and four-speed automatic transmission.

The closest rival to the ZS EV in the Thai car market is the Hyundai Kona Electric, which is being sold with the choice of 136hp and 204hp drivetrains priced at 1.849 million and 2.259 million baht respectively.

While the Kona Electric is shipped straight from Korea facing import duty, the ZS EV comes from China tax-free under a deal between the two countries. Both are subject to 8% excise tax.

With a near-700,000 baht advantage in price over the cheapest Kona EV, can any potential flaws in the ZS EV be forgiven?

What’s cool?

It’s very hard to find fault with BEVs when it comes to straight-line performance, for electric motors offer instant punch from idle speed with sharp response to match.

This is the case with the ZS EV. Real-world pace is never lacking making the electrical system highly tractable at all times. Like in many other BEVs, the amount of brake energy recuperation can be adjusted. Also, there’s a drive-mode selector should you want an even sportier and more responsive driving style.

The 150hp power rating sounds sensible because only the front wheels are driven in the ZS EV. More than that and the tyres would probably struggle in vain for traction, like in the 204hp Kona EV.

Thanks to a relatively big B-segment package and footprint, the ZS not only scores on interior space but road-holding ability as well. Despite weighing over 200kg more than the combustion-engine model, the ZS EV still handles intuitively thanks to the battery pack being located lowly beneath the cabin floor. The ride, too, is mostly absorbent and comfortable on Thai roads.

As the ZS EV has been tailored as a global model, it comes with 10 driver-assist features, generous amounts of soft-touch plastics and seats that are both cushy to sit in and stitched nicely.

What’s not?

MG wants to make the ZS EV easily identifiable on the road, so it is offering only one look: light blue exterior colour with 17-inch windmill-like wheel design.

Because the BEV is still a new thing at the moment, many will be quick to point out that charging stations aren’t aplenty enough.

MG says there are now around 350 points around the country. And since CP runs the show for both MG and 7-Eleven in Thailand, more quick-chargers will be available at convenient stores in the long run. Nice strategy, you could say then.

Lastly, MG’s brand credentials aren’t strong enough in Thailand yet explaining why many used car dealers are reportedly refusing to trade several models.

Buy or bye?

When the ZS first came to Thailand, we praised its competitive package and decent road manners but were turned off by the lack of performance.

This electric powertrain instantly rectifies the problem and helps add up to some driving fun. But that comes at a price premium, as stated earlier. Which is probably why the 1.5-litre version will still attract price-conscious buyers.

But when compared with things alike, the ZS EV is a winning BEV in Thailand at the moment in the mass-market front. It’s quick, steers easily, rides nicely, has a roomy interior and, crucially, is priced realistically.

And at such a price, the ZS EV has enough product substance to lure buyers away from top-spec, combustion-engined, B-segment SUVs like the Honda HR-V, Mazda CX-3 and Toyota C-HR.

The ZS EV is possibly the best MG to be had at the moment in Thailand.
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Volkswagen kicks off BEV fray with ID3

https://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/175054 ... 3#cxrecs_s

China could play a key role for Europe’s car giant in overcoming tax issues in Thailand.


This is the all-new ID3, Volkswagen’s first battery-electric vehicle that was earlier previewed as a concept car.

Developed to rival five-door hatchbacks like the Hyundai Ioniq and Nissan Leaf, the ID3 is built on a new platform called MEB in which the batteries are located below the cabin floor and between the axles.

In the typical VW fashion, the ID3 has a tidy design and becomes the first model to bear the brand’s new logo. The interior is kept simple with just two digital screens for the driver to focus on.

The Wolfsburg carmakers says the ID3 is roughly the size of a Golf albeit cabin space of a Passat. If you’re not familiar with those models, it’s like a Toyota Corolla with the room of a Camry.

Nice packaging. What’s the power like?
There are three battery sizes available in the ID3 for buyers to choose from. Kicking off the range is 45kWh lithium-ion good for 150hp and 330km of driving range.

The other two, both developing 204hp, have sizes of 58kWh and 77kWh good for 420km and 550km accordingly. Top speed is rated at 160kph.

Prices of the ID3 are expected to fall in line with the Leaf’s, that is, some two million baht if imported to Thai shores in entry-level form.

But VW isn’t planning to sell it here, right?
The ID3 is unlikely to go on sale in Thailand due for some reasons.

First, the brand itself is generally dormant when it comes to sales of passenger cars because there are no locally assembled products.

The other one is taxation. Sure, VW could do like Nissan and bring its BEV as a completely built-up import. But MG has already spoiled the BEV game in Thailand by selling a Chinese-made model that faces no import duty.

But it isn’t game over for VW yet as they have facilities in China, the world’s biggest market for not only cars but BEVs as well.

Building BEVs there and importing them to Thailand could be an option. Another VW Group brand that is reportedly looking at this strategy is Skoda, the Czech car arm of Europe’s automotive giant.
It looks like a smarter version of the Golf…
It looks like a smarter version of the Golf…
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With electric cars predicted to be cheaper than conventional ones within about five years, I think there could be a large market for economy Chinese models in Thailand if they can be brought in without import tax. Something about the size of a Nissan March for less than half a million could be a replacement for scooters and for that market you wouldn't need a huge range, 150 km or so would be plenty, just enough for transport around urban areas. Not many people do more than 150 km a day on a scooter.
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The biggest constraining factor is the lack of charging infrastructure rather than price, but if they were able to import from China without the huge tax costs, this would only add to the problem. I recently read a car report in the UK about 4 premium EV’s being tested and the problem came when they needed recharging - due to some recharging points bring out of order, they ended up having to wait and take turns. The EV issue has a hell of a long way to go before it becomes a feasible reality and I’m sure that 5 years isn’t long enough, unless there’s a breakthrough in SS batteries or maybe hydrogen fuelled cars will become viable?


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I'm not sure that charging infrastructure would be such a big issue with an urban runabout that you could charge at home.
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I’m also sure that for every car that could be charged at home, they’ll be one that can’t, so you need a robust infrastructure - who wants to get stuck miles from home having to wait to recharge your battery
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A couple of interesting articles related to EV’s, the first is the new CEO of Jaguar Land Rover saying that he doesn’t expect there to be any significant price reductions in EV cars for five years and what is needed is a big increase in the number and efficiency of charging points - more here
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/indu ... eaper-soon

The second article relates to 48V Electrical systems with the article focussing on a new 48V mild hybrid drivetrain that allows a larger batter that can boost power and reduce fuel consumption - more here
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/tech ... al-systems
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STEVE G wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:42 pm With electric cars predicted to be cheaper than conventional ones within about five years, I think there could be a large market for economy Chinese models in Thailand if they can be brought in without import tax. Something about the size of a Nissan March for less than half a million could be a replacement for scooters and for that market you wouldn't need a huge range, 150 km or so would be plenty, just enough for transport around urban areas. Not many people do more than 150 km a day on a scooter.
I think electric scooters are the way forward in Thailand!
When I was last in Vietnam, they were already very popular there.
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2 million Baht for a VW EV or you could buy a condo.
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2020 Honda CRV Hybrid looks good...

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2909 ... otos-info/
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Just a small snippet from an article in Autocar regarding a return journey to Germany in a Jaguar iPace - there were many positive comments but the one that stood out for me was this one, with the specific issue in bold underline -
“ The cost was low, too. At €8 per charge, total energy costs were £64 for 1064 miles. A 50mpg diesel car would have cost twice that. Time is a concern, though. Seven hours were taken up by charging, but smarter planning might reduce that“.

For many people, range anxiety and/or the time it takes to recharge the battery will stop them from buying an EV until there’s a step change in technology.
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I just watched Click, on BBC, which was solely about electric cars in this edition. It also touched on the time for charging. Apparently much faster charging stations are now being rolled out but batteries in currently available ev cars aren't capable of utilising the fast charge. Maybe in a year's time.
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What happens when there's a power outage and you can't charge your car? It seems a hybrid is a better idea than an all electric car. but, not having owned on I don't know.
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handdrummer wrote:What happens when there's a power outage and you can't charge your car? It seems a hybrid is a better idea than an all electric car. but, not having owned on I don't know.
I guess that a hybrid car would suit those who drive mainly modest distances - the school run, local supermarket, of if you work locally - most hybrids have a range of about 30 miles and some can be recharged by the car while being driven, others plugged into the mains for a slow overnight recharge. If you do frequent long journeys, hybrids do not offer significant fuel/emissions savings over combustion engines.


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handdrummer wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:03 pm What happens when there's a power outage and you can't charge your car?...
A couple of times in my life I've been stuck for transport because all the petrol stations were closed, either because of civil unrest or fuel shortages.
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