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pharvey wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:57 am
.......He tells me that the ARU and NZRU are banging heads over the Super Rugby Pacific and things could come to an end after the 2023 agreement...

Seems the ARU want to go it alone (stupidity in my book)........
What in the world was he doing way down there? :shock: He lives in Wales, right?

Yes, Rugby Pass has the write up this week about the possible split by Australia. Frankly, apart from an occasional win, they really haven't been and no signs they ever will be on a par with NZ rugby teams. Not a surprise that they are discouraged, and if the money model says they can make more in-country only, so be it.

However, that leaves a big gap for NZ club teams as no one to compete with. They can play the Pacific Island boys but they need more than that. :cheers:
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PeteC wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:21 am What in the world was he doing way down there? :shock: He lives in Wales, right?
For his sins he still lives in Hong Kong - though planning a move back to Wales.... Just has to persuade his NZ wife :wink:

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pharvey wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:40 am I don't honestly believe there was anything malicious - he didn't go in with any force, reaction time in defence? There's plenty we need to look at with regards to the rules - obviously player welfare is key, but it is after all a very physical game.
I don't think there's been anything malicious in many of the red cards this season, they were mostly about timing or, more seriously IMO, the tackler going in to the tackle too upright. As kids we were taught to tackle low, and it seems to me that's still the most effective way to bring down a big man.
pharvey wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:57 am He tells me that the ARU and NZRU are banging heads over the Super Rugby Pacific and things could come to an end after the 2023 agreement...
... Banging heads? :shock: Red cards all round!! :laugh: :laugh:
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World Rugby says concussed players will face 12 days on sidelines

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/61874367

Elite players will face an increased minimum period of 12 days out of action following concussions in a change to protocol announced by World Rugby.

From 1 July, the majority of players diagnosed with concussion are set to miss their next match.

It follows the latest rugby-specific research by World Rugby's independent concussion working group.

Currently, a player can play a week after a failed head injury assessment if they pass return-to-play protocols.

"The evolved approach will see players with a history of concussion or who are removed from a match with obvious concussion symptoms, sit out from play for a minimum of 12 days, likely missing their next competitive match," World Rugby said.

"No player will return earlier than the seventh day after injury, and any player's return will need to be approved by an independent concussion consultant."

The new rules will come into effect while home nations England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are on Test tours overseas this summer.

A player is determined to have a history of concussion if they have had a concussion diagnosis in the previous three months, three concussions diagnosed in the previous 12 months, been diagnosed with five concussions in their career or taken longer than 21 days to recover from a previous concussion.

World Rugby's chief medical officer Eanna Falvey added: "It is going to be a new mindset for coaches and players.

"Our approach means it is now overwhelmingly likely a player diagnosed with a concussion won't play in their team's next match.

"World Rugby firmly believes that scientific evidence supports our protocols, but we are continually monitoring and testing them to ensure that they are fit for the modern game.

"We recognise that there are differences in concussion symptoms and concussion history, and this process enables us to further protect elite players by individualising their rehabilitation.

"It also keeps in place all the benefits of the previous protocols, which have been so successful in beginning to tackle under-reporting of symptoms which evidence shows that, while improving, remains an issue."

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The Rugby Football Union (RFU), has confirmed that from next season all players in the men's Premiership, women's Premier 15s and in England representative teams will be offered instrumented mouthguards that can help detect concussion.

It comes after research, which involved Harlequins men's side, Bristol Bears women and the Red Roses, showed the mouthguards were able to measure the frequency and magnitude of head contact and head accelerations.

"The findings will be an important addition to rugby's head injury management and prevention efforts, and will improve player management and welfare policies in the future across the elite game," said Phil Winstanley, rugby director at Premiership Rugby.

Reports from the Professional Rugby Injury Surveillance Project (PRISP) and Women's Rugby Injury Surveillance Project (WRISP) for the 2020-21 season showed concussion was the most common form of match injury, accounting for 28% of injuries in men and 26% in women.

Saliva tests that can help diagnose concussion will continue in the Premiership and Premier 15s, and the samples will now be collected in the 2022-23 season as a potential marker of recovery from head injuries.

Elsewhere, retired players between the ages of 30 and 55 can use the RFU-funded Advanced Brain Clinic, launched last year, for assessments and support if they are concerned about their brain health.
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Probably not worth commenting on this one Pharvey. I just watched the replay this morning. Does not bode well for England playing the Wallabies shortly. Of course, England has other players who did not participate against the Barbarians, I think. :cheers:

England 21-52 Barbarians: Hosts well beaten against 14-man invitational side

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/61859228
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PeteC wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:45 am Probably not worth commenting on this one Pharvey. I just watched the replay this morning. Does not bode well for England playing the Wallabies shortly. Of course, England has other players who did not participate against the Barbarians, I think. :cheers:
I didn't get to see the match for one reason or another and based on the reports I haven't searched out a re-run or highlights!!

To be fair England were without the vast majority of their stars but should certainly have done better than they did. The England team that takes to the fields in Australia will be a lot different. Still, would be funny to see a similar result! :wink: :duck:
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Reminders should be coming from Superbru, but just a heads up to make picks for the 1st Round of the July Internationals beginning this Friday/Saturday 01-02.07.

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Maori All Blacks 32-17 Ireland: Visitors well beaten in tour opener

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/61978898

Ireland's tour of New Zealand got off to a losing start as they were well beaten by a sharper, smarter Maori All Blacks in Hamilton.

The hosts dazzled in a one-sided first half in which they scored four tries to Ireland's one to open up a 22-point advantage..........
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pharvey wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:24 pm I didn't get to see the match for one reason or another and based on the reports I haven't searched out a re-run or highlights!!

To be fair England were without the vast majority of their stars but should certainly have done better than they did. The England team that takes to the fields in Australia will be a lot different. Still, would be funny to see a similar result! :wink: :duck:
I don't think you saw or know about this? :D



I don't know what issues George Kruis has with team England, but I think he may have some. :cheers:
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PeteC wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:14 pm I don't think you saw or know about this? :D

I don't know what issues George Kruis has with team England, but I think he may have some. :cheers:
Yes, did see that and Kruis did get a fair bit of cr@p over it from many........

Personally, I think what the hell - enjoying his last match, having some fun at "Twickers". England showed little respect for the Baabaas and were taught a lesson, Kruis simply joined in with his teammates... :thumb:

I don't believe Kruis had in anyway a poor relationship with the RFU more than any other in the England or Saracens camp. Very good player with typical arrogance, but probably upset a few with his move to Japan.

Years ago (80's sometime), Mark Ring of Cardiff and Wales upset many for doing the same thing - I believe he was the first to try the stunt...... Certainly didn't do him any favours at the time!!

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pharvey wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:16 pm Reminders should be coming from Superbru, but just a heads up to make picks for the 1st Round of the July Internationals beginning this Friday/Saturday 01-02.07. :cheers: :cheers:
I just noticed that there's 14 people in the pool. WOW, that's a good showing. :cheers: I'm happy this is happening now as it's become a bit boring of late due to lack of team sport competitions. First round my thoughts:

France
New Zealand
Australia
SAF
Scotland
Italy
Australia "A"
Fiji
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PeteC wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:16 pm I just noticed that there's 14 people in the pool. WOW, that's a good showing. :cheers: I'm happy this is happening now as it's become a bit boring of late due to lack of team sport competitions. First round my thoughts:

France
New Zealand
Australia
SAF
Scotland
Italy
Australia "A"
Fiji
Good showing indeed - several from previous groups outside of HHF, but the more the merrier! :thumb:

Aside from SAF :roll: :wink: , agree with the above - just depends to what degree! That said, of course depends on the strength of the teams put out. From what I've seen, all will be pretty much full strength or at least as strong as they can be.....

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Some may be surprised with Australia, they are not the Australia Wallabies side of a few years ago. They should do well in this competition. :cheers:
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PeteC wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:35 pm Some may be surprised with Australia, they are not the Australia Wallabies side of a few years ago. They should do well in this competition. :cheers:
Going to be very interesting with Australia IMHO. Questions are certainly going to be asked of the Lillywhites and Eddie Jones' position. England have put out a very decent team and I'm glad to see Lawes has kept the captaincy - superb player and will certainly add to the breakdown battle beit from the 2nd Row.

The Wallabies have certainly suffered in recent times and it would be great to see them back - perfect timing for the RWC.
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So far Saturday afternoon for those matches I picked correctly I've been way too conservative, except NZ where went over a bit and got bitten by BB. :laugh: In fact BB has had 2 exact picks this afternoon. :shock: He must have inside information. :wink:

Australia vs England coming up in 45 minutes on TRUE channel 669. :cheers:
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