B'ham were unlucky last night.Obviously that was never a penalty,and the dive was equal to eduado's a couple of months ago.Its a shame when a team has to cheat in this manner
Has Benitez been given the vote of confidence yet????
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The stats show Liverpool`s superiority, so why 2 2. It`s not as if Liverpool are playing fantastic football and being unlucky, up to now they deserve their league position. Spin away Baa Baa.
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Hey? We do deserve to be where we are but bar that pen we haven't had a stroke of luck all season, completely the opposite in fact.Arcadian wrote:The stats show Liverpool`s superiority, so why 2 2. It`s not as if Liverpool are playing fantastic football and being unlucky, up to now they deserve their league position. Spin away Baa Baa.
Bubbly said Brum were unlucky which I disagree with considering we completely dominated the game, hit the post twice, had numerous other efforts and their second shot on target was a freak.
The pen was unfortunate for them but I'll take it, especially with the poor decisions and injury problems we've had to contend with.
Now it's International break, one that may actually help us rather than hinder us, for once.
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Darren Fletcher, the serial thug, has blamed Arsene Wenger for Man U losing to Chelsea. Why? Because the referees are biased against him following Wenger`s criticism of their style of play, Fletcher wasn`t even mentioned by name but I guess paranoia starts at the top!
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i thought wengers point was a valid one after the game at OT.Arcadian wrote:Darren Fletcher, the serial thug, has blamed Arsene Wenger for Man U losing to Chelsea. Why? Because the referees are biased against him following Wenger`s criticism of their style of play, Fletcher wasn`t even mentioned by name but I guess paranoia starts at the top!
he did commit a series of fouls, including a nailed on penalty decision he got away with & he never got booked in that game
in his defence, he was unlucky with the red card at the emirates which caused him to miss out on the CL final
his style isn't pretty but it is effective & he has improved immensely over the last couple of years
as for liverpool
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Unfortunately possesion dosen't win you the game,goals do. Liverpool cheated the other night. If b;ham go down at the end of the season or liverpool stay up by a point,how important is that bit of cheating then????As for luck??? its said you make your own luck and its true.(i know this more than most being a n'cle fan). Injuries are injuries. Its not a unique thing to have 6 or 7 out. I remember last season at one stage we had 10 first team players out.Its part of the game and you have to cope.
I sat and watched the sunderland game on sat night with a mackem bar owner.When they got that ridiculous pen he was screaming miss,miss at the tv and was genuinely pleased when it was saved!!!! Don't you think this is a better way of supporting your team,even if it means you lose the game????
I sat and watched the sunderland game on sat night with a mackem bar owner.When they got that ridiculous pen he was screaming miss,miss at the tv and was genuinely pleased when it was saved!!!! Don't you think this is a better way of supporting your team,even if it means you lose the game????
Howay the Lads!!!!
Do you know what Bubbly, if they went down it wouldn't bother me one bit. I don't think cloggers like Carsley and Bowyer would be a great loss.
Maybe Carsley should have timed his dangerous lunge a little better.
I remember it was national beachball week not so long ago, I don't remember any sympathy for Liverpool then but if the laws of the game were applied we would have taken a point.
Ngog is learning his trade, in time he'll learn to leave his leg trailing like the experienced Rooney and co.
Besides Utd get undeserved decisions all the time and nobody bats an eyelid.
Maybe Carsley should have timed his dangerous lunge a little better.
I remember it was national beachball week not so long ago, I don't remember any sympathy for Liverpool then but if the laws of the game were applied we would have taken a point.
Ngog is learning his trade, in time he'll learn to leave his leg trailing like the experienced Rooney and co.
Besides Utd get undeserved decisions all the time and nobody bats an eyelid.
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BaaBaa,
It sounds like Liverpool and their fans are going to have to learn to live with what life is like for all the other clubs outside the 'Big 4'...
It has been apparent for a long time that those clubs have tended to get favourable refereeing decisions more often than not, particularly Manchester United, but I have to say that this season has highlighted for me that the referees need technology now to help them, because the number of appalling decisions made (or more often, decisions not made) seems to be extreme so far. Penalties given and not given seem to be a particular problem, but there is also the issue of carding players - in the West Ham v Everton game last weekend how Fellaini AND Heitinga didn't get two yellows each is beyond me, and yet in our two previous matches Scott Parker and Radoslovic Kovac got sent off for very minor things which had no malice involved, and in Parker's case was a handball that resulted from him being fouled! Add to this that suspensions following two yellows cannot be appealed whereas straight reds can be makes it even more ludicrous. People have always complained about consistency of refereeing but it really has reached unacceptable levels of inconsistency now. I strongly believe the timekeeping should also now be taken out of the referees hands and a visible clock showing time remaining that is stopped and started whenever the ball is 'dead' should be used, and that video replays for crucial incidents (goals, penalty decisions, cards) should be available, possibly with a challenge system available but definitely with an off pitch official communicating that there may have been a mistake made to allow the ref to review.
It sounds like Liverpool and their fans are going to have to learn to live with what life is like for all the other clubs outside the 'Big 4'...
It has been apparent for a long time that those clubs have tended to get favourable refereeing decisions more often than not, particularly Manchester United, but I have to say that this season has highlighted for me that the referees need technology now to help them, because the number of appalling decisions made (or more often, decisions not made) seems to be extreme so far. Penalties given and not given seem to be a particular problem, but there is also the issue of carding players - in the West Ham v Everton game last weekend how Fellaini AND Heitinga didn't get two yellows each is beyond me, and yet in our two previous matches Scott Parker and Radoslovic Kovac got sent off for very minor things which had no malice involved, and in Parker's case was a handball that resulted from him being fouled! Add to this that suspensions following two yellows cannot be appealed whereas straight reds can be makes it even more ludicrous. People have always complained about consistency of refereeing but it really has reached unacceptable levels of inconsistency now. I strongly believe the timekeeping should also now be taken out of the referees hands and a visible clock showing time remaining that is stopped and started whenever the ball is 'dead' should be used, and that video replays for crucial incidents (goals, penalty decisions, cards) should be available, possibly with a challenge system available but definitely with an off pitch official communicating that there may have been a mistake made to allow the ref to review.
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it would be an interesting stat to find out how many refs have ever actually played the game at any point in their lives.
my guess is most have never played at all & they were always the odd one out in the playground after the sides were picked
the inconsistency has becoming embarassing & some refs seem to think they are more important than the match itself.
there are bound to be mis-timed tackles, innocuous obstructions, accidental handballs etc etc, it's a contact sport.
they are easily defined if you have played the game but they still carry the same punishment (yellow card) as a malicious tackle or deliberate block
some players & teams seem to get away with it more than others.
how many times have you seen a high profile player who has committed a 2nd offence after he has already been booked, get a stern talking to from the ref?
that privilege isn't afforded to the lesser known players, nor to those that have a reputation
my guess is most have never played at all & they were always the odd one out in the playground after the sides were picked
the inconsistency has becoming embarassing & some refs seem to think they are more important than the match itself.
there are bound to be mis-timed tackles, innocuous obstructions, accidental handballs etc etc, it's a contact sport.
they are easily defined if you have played the game but they still carry the same punishment (yellow card) as a malicious tackle or deliberate block
some players & teams seem to get away with it more than others.
how many times have you seen a high profile player who has committed a 2nd offence after he has already been booked, get a stern talking to from the ref?
that privilege isn't afforded to the lesser known players, nor to those that have a reputation
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FOR those who doubt the legitimacy of Liverpool’s controversial penalty on Monday night, answer me this. Had David Ngog not tumbled – okay, dived – over the late tackle of Birmingham midfielder Lee Carsley, what would have happened?
There are two likely outcomes, the first being that Ngog would have been scythed down resulting in a clear penalty – and a probably injury.
Remember this is a player so reckless in the challenge that he once put Everton team-mate Tim Cahill out of commission for eight weeks with a mistimed lunge.
Alternatively, the young French striker could have hurdled Carsley’s leg, which would have slowed his march on goal and allowed Birmingham defenders to recover. No penalty, despite the infringement. Honest, perhaps, but hardly fair.
Instead, Ngog took the only option any top-level striker would have in his position. He dived, won a spot kick and avoided spending the next three months on the treatment table.
Steven Gerrard was lambasted for a similar incident in a 1-1 draw with Sheffield United on the opening day of the 2006/07 Premier League season.
The Reds skipper won a penalty, which Robbie Fowler converted, after stumbling as he tried to skip over the dangerous challenge of Blades’ Chris Morgan.
Referee Rob Styles defended the award by insisting that, under the laws of the game, it was irrelevant that there had been no contact.
He added that the rules state a penalty can be awarded if a player is disadvantaged by taking evasive action to avoid a tackle in the box.
Football folk are simple folk, though – they only see things in black and white.
Ultimately, if a player makes a challenge as poor in the penalty area as the ones perpetrated by men who probably don’t belong at this level, like Carsley or Morgan, then they deserve to concede a spot kick.
Ngog’s theatrical fall has prompted renewed campaigns to “ban the divers” and “beat the cheats”.
But where are calls to clamp down on the defenders kicking lumps out of the strikers and flair players who light up the Premier League and are afforded scant protection?
What’s the greater menace in football – divers or the yard dogs who endanger the careers of their fellow professionals?
Unfortunately in Britain many pundits believe it to be the former.
There’s always a great deal more fuss, of course, when it’s a foreign player going to ground rather than Englishmen like Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney.
It’s not that I condone cheating, but it is not cheating for a player to highlight foul play. There’s a stark difference between what Ngog did and, say, what the worst offenders of the English top flight Didier Drogba and El Hadji Diouf get up to each weekend – players who are solely out to deceive referees.
The likes of Fernando Torres and formerly Cristiano Ronaldo spend 90 minutes being kicked, pulled and elbowed by stoppers incapable of containing their blazing talents by legal means.
They rarely find solace from the match officials – unless they go down like they’ve been shot. That appears to be the only way to get their attention.
It might be unmanly and unsightly but what is the alternative?
Perhaps if referees clamped down on the thugs you’d find strikers would more willing to stay on their feet.
There are two likely outcomes, the first being that Ngog would have been scythed down resulting in a clear penalty – and a probably injury.
Remember this is a player so reckless in the challenge that he once put Everton team-mate Tim Cahill out of commission for eight weeks with a mistimed lunge.
Alternatively, the young French striker could have hurdled Carsley’s leg, which would have slowed his march on goal and allowed Birmingham defenders to recover. No penalty, despite the infringement. Honest, perhaps, but hardly fair.
Instead, Ngog took the only option any top-level striker would have in his position. He dived, won a spot kick and avoided spending the next three months on the treatment table.
Steven Gerrard was lambasted for a similar incident in a 1-1 draw with Sheffield United on the opening day of the 2006/07 Premier League season.
The Reds skipper won a penalty, which Robbie Fowler converted, after stumbling as he tried to skip over the dangerous challenge of Blades’ Chris Morgan.
Referee Rob Styles defended the award by insisting that, under the laws of the game, it was irrelevant that there had been no contact.
He added that the rules state a penalty can be awarded if a player is disadvantaged by taking evasive action to avoid a tackle in the box.
Football folk are simple folk, though – they only see things in black and white.
Ultimately, if a player makes a challenge as poor in the penalty area as the ones perpetrated by men who probably don’t belong at this level, like Carsley or Morgan, then they deserve to concede a spot kick.
Ngog’s theatrical fall has prompted renewed campaigns to “ban the divers” and “beat the cheats”.
But where are calls to clamp down on the defenders kicking lumps out of the strikers and flair players who light up the Premier League and are afforded scant protection?
What’s the greater menace in football – divers or the yard dogs who endanger the careers of their fellow professionals?
Unfortunately in Britain many pundits believe it to be the former.
There’s always a great deal more fuss, of course, when it’s a foreign player going to ground rather than Englishmen like Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney.
It’s not that I condone cheating, but it is not cheating for a player to highlight foul play. There’s a stark difference between what Ngog did and, say, what the worst offenders of the English top flight Didier Drogba and El Hadji Diouf get up to each weekend – players who are solely out to deceive referees.
The likes of Fernando Torres and formerly Cristiano Ronaldo spend 90 minutes being kicked, pulled and elbowed by stoppers incapable of containing their blazing talents by legal means.
They rarely find solace from the match officials – unless they go down like they’ve been shot. That appears to be the only way to get their attention.
It might be unmanly and unsightly but what is the alternative?
Perhaps if referees clamped down on the thugs you’d find strikers would more willing to stay on their feet.
You been on the sherbert BaaBaa? Gotta be something to explain what you have just written! 'Cos there's no logic or sense in it.
He dived to cheat the referee into awarding a penalty and he succeeded, end of. It wasn't like he went 6 feet in the air to avoid a career threatening challenge, was it? Carsley is hardly the devil personified, is he?
What made you bring it up again a week after the event?
He dived to cheat the referee into awarding a penalty and he succeeded, end of. It wasn't like he went 6 feet in the air to avoid a career threatening challenge, was it? Carsley is hardly the devil personified, is he?
What made you bring it up again a week after the event?
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Not me, an alternative view on the incident I just read on the net.caller wrote:You been on the sherbert BaaBaa? Gotta be something to explain what you have just written! 'Cos there's no logic or sense in it.
I'll consult my friend who can alter the paths of time.caller wrote:It wasn't like he went 6 feet in the air to avoid a career threatening challenge, was it?
Hardly an angel though is he? Of the two, who has more previous?caller wrote: Carsley is hardly the devil personified, is he?
Boredom and a slow night on HHAD.caller wrote:What made you bring it up again a week after the event?
