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Unfortunately the Italians didn't play as well against the Lillywhites as they did against the French last week. The English forwards were quite frankly the difference, Jack Willis in particular (hell of a game) - though the Italians did well in the tight IMO.

"Playing to the Ref" is a phrase that several dislike, including one or two on this Forum. Unfortunately it's a fact and part of rugby - England did it better today and gained the benefits. Several decisions went against Italy which shouldn't have/were tight IMHO - that said, I'm not having a pop at the referee in particular.

The Lillywhites were deserved winners :roll: , but there's lots more to come from Italy (are there any Italians in the squad though :wink: :D ).

As an add on - unbelievable bias with the ITV coverage, good God couldn't we have an Italian viewpoint or for that matter anyone other than English?
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pharvey wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:30 am As an add on - unbelievable bias with the ITV coverage, good God couldn't we have an Italian viewpoint or for that matter anyone other than English?
Could have been worse - they might have had Brian Moore...
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dtaai-maai wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:38 am
pharvey wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:30 am As an add on - unbelievable bias with the ITV coverage, good God couldn't we have an Italian viewpoint or for that matter anyone other than English?
Could have been worse - they might have had Brian Moore...
Oh come on - even as a Welshman I enjoyed Brian Moore as a commentator, at least he knew his rugby, had the same opinion to "feeding the scrum", "playing to the ref"and well, wasn't "overly biased"!! :D :wink:

The ITV coverage was worse than the Aussie commentators (in any sport) for bias - and that really is saying something!!

[EDIT] The Beeb is still the best, though going downhill, purely because the corporation are looking for money.... Rugby is going to move to Pay-Per-View at the very time it can't afford to do so!!

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As for the HHF Prediction League!!

Well, I'm going to suffer as I'll always bet with the heart when it comes to Wales - unfortunately, this season is probably not the one to do it!! :roll: :wink:

Just to clear up a thing or two from my side....

"Rucku Moke" who won the Yellow Cap is not a member of the Forum, but is a member of a previous Rugby League Forum I used to play in - both "pooley" and "Dai_L" are very good friends and have played in various HHF tournaments over the years, so I hope nobody minds them joining the HHF Prediction League despite the fact that they are not actual members of the Forum...... "Oz" is/was a member of the Forum wasn't/isn't he? Anywho, ROUND 2!!

I shall say BIG Congrats to "Oz" on leading the pack and WTF happened "lindos"?
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Surely not?? :shock:

Six Nations 2023: Wales player strike against England is 'last option' - Alun Wyn Jones

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64662366
Alun Wyn Jones says it would be the "last option" for Wales players to go on strike against England but admits the threat of action is "hard to deny".

Welsh rugby players are in dispute with bosses about a long-term pay agreement.

Players in Wales have been considering strike action ahead of the Six Nations game against England on 25 February.

Head coach Warren Gatland says he would not support players striking but backs his players in their contract dispute with the Welsh Rugby Union (WRU).
Nah, I don't believe it. This game is too important to everyone involved.
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dtaai-maai wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:24 am Nah, I don't believe it. This game is too important to everyone involved.
**Friendly Warning** - I am now climbing upon my soapbox

Rugby in Wales is in it's Death Throes, the WRU are and have been an absolute disgrace - shafting the players that are the heart of Welsh rugby, absolutely clueless as to what is required and how their supposed professional organisation should operate..... Oh and let's not forget guilty of Misogyny, homophobia and racism - they are ultimately an abject failure. We know they are a back-stabbing, Judas-esque organisation, but this from a former Wales Captain, Wales Coach (Technical Advisor) and the first player to sign a "Central Contract" with the WRU (so he'll know a thing or two on the subject) - Sam Warburton: -

"My feeling is that the WRU almost want to drive the regions into administration, so they can take them over (they already own Dragons). I know for certain that last month, if it hadn’t been for the generosity of the long-term benefactor Peter Thomas, in helping pay players and staff, Cardiff would have followed Wasps and Worcester Warriors into administration. I’m also pretty sure that at least one of the other regions has been in the same boat and has been similarly saved in the short term.

"The regions are trying to live off money from an old agreement with the WRU because the money from the new agreement hasn’t come through, even though they are supposed to be in year one of it. They simply can’t cope. The hope is that the new chairman and interim chief executive, Ieuan Evans and Nigel Walker, change the WRU’s stance quickly and try to help the regions, but if they don’t, then I fear that we could see all the regions fold and have to be taken over by the WRU."


The atmosphere now is completely toxic - Threats of "Strike Action", walk-outs from VIP Donor events/Press Conferences, refusal to interact or allow filming by the likes of "Netflix" (with whom the WRU have agreed a lucrative contract)- it might not sound much, or even amusing to some.... But these actions will cause the WRU problems, and potentially hurt them financially...... How poetic!

The players themselves are not asking for more money (as normally those striking do), they simply want a commitment for their futures (an end to contractual issues), a voice in how things are run, player welfare (how many times a season do they have to put their bodies on the line)..... This is their job, their income, their and their families' futures

The players have previously agreed to a 20% cut in salary due to the effects of Covid on the sport, the "new" contracts offered by the WRU and Regions will have further pay cuts (reputedly a further 20%), yet none of the staff or coaches of the WRU or Regions will be asked (forced) to do the same - the WRU had a nice cash injection from CVC (£50 Million), also sponsorship deals etc. and of course income from the Principality Stadium..... It seems these "funds" didn't benefit the players though. The WRU give no guarantees to the players - with a freeze on contract renewals and new contracts/contract extensions - and the 60 Cap Rule in place, there are now some 70+ Regional and International players that will be out of contract within the next few months and far from sure what their futures hold. This is the thanks they get for risking personal injury, possibly an early end to careers in an admittedly hard game - just to line the pockets of others...... They are being shown zero respect. How are they expected to go into matches Regional or International with the correct mindset/attitude to compete? The results and performances of the recent Welsh matches are self explanatory really and I'm embarrassed to say I didn't consider the above in depth before berating players in a manly fashion via my keyboard :oops: :roll: Though I suspect I wasn't alone. And before I get the responses stating I'm using this as an excuse for our losses in the Six Nations so far, no, of course it's not the full story but perhaps without this Bullshit situation, we may just have put up a slightly better showing!!!

What next? It's been reported that the Welsh players have set a deadline of next Wednesday, Feb 22nd (3 days before the scheduled match with England) to sort this mess out. There are 3 demands: -

"Scrap the 60-cap rule, remove the fixed-variable element from contracts (which accounts for 20% of salaries) and give players a seat at Professional Rugby Board meetings.

Welsh players will meet with WRPA representatives in the next week to decide on next steps, with potential strike action still one option".


Sounds perfectly reasonable to me!! Let's see what happens in the coming days.... Hopefully common sense and decency will prevail, but that's a big ask of the WRU.
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I watched Leicester v Sarries last night - very entertaining game.
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And I've just watched Gloucester v Quins over a leisurely late breakfast (the butler and the cook are indulging me...). Another excellent game. Sorry Delighted to see LRZ back in action, potentially in time for next week in Cardiff...
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dtaai-maai wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:29 pm Delighted to see LRZ back in action, potentially in time for next week in Cardiff...
We'll see - the "Blazer Wearing Muppets" clinging onto their Gravy Train have some decisions to make by tomorrow......

That aside, LRZ was great in attack, but missed a couple of tackles and was caught out of position on a few occasions. Some talk of selecting him at FB for Wales (should things go ahead) - NOT a good option IMHO.
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This taken from https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... e-26288328

My personal feeling is that the game - if it goes ahead - will be a comedy act on Wales' part and a training session at best for the Lillywhites. This situation is both an embarrassment for Welsh Rugby and an absolute disgrace on so many levels. How can the players possibly be in the right mindset..... I doubt practice or training will have been upto much either. This must be the first time in my life that I don't give a flying shite for Wales playing in the 6 Nations (or any match for that matter) - hang your heads in shame WRU and PRB (Professional Rugby Board) - this is what you have done to a proud nation and our beloved sport!! :banghead: :cuss: :cuss:

"Wales have postponed today's scheduled team announcement for Saturday's match against England amid the uncertainty over whether it will actually take place.

Warren Gatland decided to delay naming the side, with players locked in talks with WRU bosses today. The team will not train this afternoon, instead holding a longer morning session to free up stars to "reset".

The threat of strike action has cast a shadow over Welsh rugby in the last week, with players understood to have finally had enough of the uncertainty that has followed them for 18 months.

A deadline of Wednesday has been set for their three key demands to be met, with the PRB to meet with all professional rugby players on Wednesday to discuss their options.

In a press conference on Thursday, Gatland said he wanted the players to have clarity on the off-field issues engulfing the squad before publicly announcing his matchday 23. The Kiwi insists he is confident the dispute will be resolved and the game will go ahead.

“I think it’s a genuine threat, no doubt about that. But having spoken to a few people today, I’m fairly confident it will be resolved,” he said."


Sad, sad times...... :cry:
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I'm at a complete and utter loss to the Welsh team selection. For the first time in my life I am not looking forward to Wales playing - this is what the WRU have done. Win or lose, hang your heads in shame! An absolute disgrace to my country and the sport.... :roll: :( :cry:

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Apologies, not being the Captain (of the HHF Prediction League) I should be! Very few really comment on this thread - Lindos (RIP), DM and myself - various issues, including being a proud Welshman and Wales being piss poor this season!! :cuss: :banghead: :cuss:

It's a complete rebuild unfortunately for Wales - I just wish it started long ago from the WRU!! The same perhaps from Bath, Bristol, Exeter (and England) et. al.... We need to look at the money involved vs rules within respective Rugby Unions. The Rugby Union (Lillywhites) itself are the world's richest and by a long way. The French however can offer far more with regards to salary... Welsh players deserting Wales, some English deseting England and the majority heading to the riches of France and Japan.... No salary of course competing with the Roundball, Wendyball.... Ho Hum....

It's a weekend off this weekend, so shall post the table, teams and TV etc. a little closer to the date!!

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In the meantime, Pietro, you just sit back and put your feet up... :wink: :duck:
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dtaai-maai wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:54 am In the meantime, Pietro, you just sit back and put your feet up... :wink: :duck:
Whilst I still have them!! :D

I was actually thinking on the way back from the hospital today - the attachments I could get!! Four or Six inches taller ("longer" not available unfortunately :roll: ), snow skis for the coming Welsh weather or heck, water skis!! The world is my ocean (or is it oyster...)!!

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A very sad state of affairs, but it is what it is with rugby today in Wales - the WRU are an absolute disgrace!!

"Wales' regions are braced to lose many of their biggest stars due to drastic cost-cutting measures.

Cardiff head coach Dai Young admitted the club cannot match the offers being made from elsewhere with Liam Williams, Josh Adams and Jarrod Evans targeted.

Dragons are hoping Ross Moriarty stays despite a lucrative offer from France.

Ospreys said a player has already signalled he will quit, with a regional finance deal still to be agreed with the Welsh Rugby Union (WRU).

On a sobering day for Welsh rugby, in which three of the four regions held press conferences, it was left to their head coaches to spell out the impact of the expected budget cuts.

WRU chief executive Nigel Walker said on Monday, 27 February that an agreement would be in place in a "matter of days" but a deal has not been signed.

So while regions have offered verbal contracts, players' futures remain uncertain while talks go on at the game's Professional Rugby Board (PRB) level."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64829231
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