handdrummer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:39 pm
What is stopping the development of hydrogen as a source of electrical power? To many vested interests in electric power? Gone to far in one direction to turn another way? ???
Why hydrogen fuel cell cars are not competitive — from a hydrogen fuel cell expert
I’m sure it is by no means as clear as this - the attached article paints quite a different picture. By the look of it, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are not yet ready to compete head on with battery electric, but in 5-10 years from now, who knows? https://www.theweek.co.uk/electric-cars ... are-better
handdrummer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:39 pm
What is stopping the development of hydrogen as a source of electrical power? To many vested interests in electric power? Gone to far in one direction to turn another way? ???
Why hydrogen fuel cell cars are not competitive — from a hydrogen fuel cell expert
Fuel cells have been touted as an alternative to internal combustion since the 1960s, but have never taken off.
Hydrogen as an internal combustion fuel uses proven technology and seems the most rational way forward.
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly...
I'm seeing more electric cars on the road everyday here in Europe so I don't actually see why it's not a practical solution.
You can't expect the older generation to get it but I work an socialize with many people a lot younger than me and they're different, many of them are now against the idea of having cars at all and use all other forms of transport.
1. I quite often do journeys between 300-400 miles.
2. Deterioration When new they may do 250 miles but this will slowly deteriorate, so realiability on battery not proven.
3.Cost of replacing batteries
4.resale value of car they are expensive at the moment and will not hold there price.
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
There was an interesting programme I watched back in the uk, they predicted that in less than 20 yrs there will only be around 4-5 car manufactures left due to a new age in motoring. (ie battery)
The programme said that due to the cost or servicing replacing batteries that ownership will fall dramatically, instead with the onset of self drive cars (or pods as the program called them) people will simply call a pod on their mobile and one will come to your house.
You will pay the large corporate companies for the use of the vehicle, further they said these vehicles will self charge from some fecking thing embedded in the road.
With new eu regs forcing manufacturers to fit speed limiters from 2023 I think it is there will be no point in buying a Ferrari or porsche so why would you not accept a pod?.
All new cars sold in the UK and Europe are to be fitted with devices to automatically stop drivers exceeding the speed limit under sweeping changes to vehicle safety rules that the EU has provisionally agreed.
Although Britain may no longer be part of the EU when the rules come into effect, the UK regulator, the Vehicle Certification Agency, has said it will mirror safety standards for vehicles in the UK.
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The speed limiter is one of a range of safety features to be made mandatory from 2022, along with automated emergency braking, electronic data recorders and improved visibility built into lorries for drivers to see vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians around the vehicle.
There was an interesting programme I watched back in the uk, they predicted that in less than 20 yrs there will only be around 4-5 car manufactures left due to a new age in motoring. (ie battery)
The programme said that due to the cost or servicing replacing batteries that ownership will fall dramatically, instead with the onset of self drive cars (or pods as the program called them) people will simply call a pod on their mobile and one will come to your house.
You will pay the large corporate companies for the use of the vehicle, further they said these vehicles will self charge from some fecking thing embedded in the road.
With new eu regs forcing manufacturers to fit speed limiters from 2023 I think it is there will be no point in buying a Ferrari or porsche so why would you not accept a pod?.
20 years a bit soon I think, it is like a horrorv story all humans will be puppets guided by the internet.
I will not be around in 20 years so I will enjoy my freedom.
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
There was a time when car ownership brought freedom but it's very different now, it equates to expense, traffic congestion,speeding tickets, hunting for parking, not being able to drink and heavy taxation.
I honestly don't think it will even take 20 yrs at the pace technology is going at present, Tesla and others already have autonomous vehicles.
Trucks and cars in the uk already have lane control and anti collision sensors, you can now sit in your vehicle on cruise and it will slow down and speed up as the traffic dictates.
There was a time when car ownership brought freedom but it's very different now, it equates to expense, traffic congestion,speeding tickets, hunting for parking, not being able to drink and heavy taxation.]
I do not agree Epense no more than it was 10 years ago pro rata. Congestion yes worse but time your journey, speeding tickets only if you are daft, look out for the cameras , not a poblem better still do not speed, parking I never have a problem, but I tendto avoid big cities. No drinking that applies to any care do not drink. Heavy taxation again pro rata from 10 years ago not a lot of difference.
Electric cars very expensive, to many things to go wrong, bad depreciation cannot drink or speed in them parking a nightmare, Also if the income from petrol/diesel etc goes down, the tax on electric cars will rise. QED.
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
Potentially, electric cars will be much more reliable than conventional, you can reduce the drive train down to two moving parts with hub motors and once batteries are produced on a large enough scale they'll be cheaper to produce as well.
It's been evident for many years that fossil fuel is over, so let's get on with it and change. People who like obsolete forms of transport can always go and ride a horse on the beach!
Steve G
Potentially electric cars are more dangerous more accidents likely to happen, costs will rise, they catch fire. Fossil fuel will eventually die out, however hydrogen is the future, I do not need a computor to drive my car and possibly kill me. Hydrogen far safer. .
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
Ttmike wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:24 pm
Knew I would find it somewhere!
All new cars sold in the UK and Europe are to be fitted with devices to automatically stop drivers exceeding the speed limit under sweeping changes to vehicle safety rules that the EU has provisionally agreed.
Although Britain may no longer be part of the EU when the rules come into effect, the UK regulator, the Vehicle Certification Agency, has said it will mirror safety standards for vehicles in the UK.
Advertisement
The speed limiter is one of a range of safety features to be made mandatory from 2022, along with automated emergency braking, electronic data recorders and improved visibility built into lorries for drivers to see vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians around the vehicle.
Governments may not do much to improve our lives but they're getting better at controlling them. Brave New World, coming to a city near you.
At the end of the day, we will drive what the market gives us. Governments will eventually tax out IC engine cars so we will be left with battery electric, hydrogen or whatever the boffins come up with next. No need to get alarmed just do what you’ve always done, buy the best car that suits your needs that you can afford.
