Blood, they already have the place you are talking about. Sanctuary is a little strong. They call it a "shelter". It's been in existence for 3 years. They are supposed to be rebuilding it sometime this year, but no, it will never be able to house all the strays in HH. It has a capacity of perhaps 3,000 max, I would imagine. And IMO, that solution is no solution, but I'll get off of my soapbox now.
BTW, if you ever do want to visit, give me a call. It wasn't a challenge, but an invitation..
Just reread your post & saw you were talking about sick strays. They are building a vet hospital (a branch of the Ratchaburi hospital) down between Khao Takiab & Khao Tao somewhere, but I have heard nothing about taking in sick strays.
HHDRC facing closure. We need immediate help!
Hi guys and girls
Just a thought
After the tsunami I did a sponsered skydive down in PrachupKirikhan and raised a hell of a lot of dosh
The next series of dives is due in March (6th) I believe and lasts for 2 weeks
Maybe this could be a funding source. You need some crazy, ambitious guys who have a market for raising funds on a sponsership basis and who are willing to jump out of a plane 3 miles up. I would be the 1st to volunteer as a) It's for a good cause and b) I get a buzz out being a bit crazy.
No training required if you go tandem other than DO AS YOU ARE TOLD
However you do need a coordinator to fix the tandem dives and my contacts are few and far between now
Just a thought
Just a thought
After the tsunami I did a sponsered skydive down in PrachupKirikhan and raised a hell of a lot of dosh
The next series of dives is due in March (6th) I believe and lasts for 2 weeks
Maybe this could be a funding source. You need some crazy, ambitious guys who have a market for raising funds on a sponsership basis and who are willing to jump out of a plane 3 miles up. I would be the 1st to volunteer as a) It's for a good cause and b) I get a buzz out being a bit crazy.
No training required if you go tandem other than DO AS YOU ARE TOLD
However you do need a coordinator to fix the tandem dives and my contacts are few and far between now
Just a thought
RICHARD OF LOXLEY
It’s none of my business what people say and think of me. I am what I am and do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. It makes life so much easier.
It’s none of my business what people say and think of me. I am what I am and do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. It makes life so much easier.
Moneyless in Thailand is the blight of many farang. It has to rate as the most demoralising of roads, however in your favour it seems the mighty benefactors have not forgotten you! Who can tell when they will come?
I can still remember the article in the Observer, times were hard then, a shame they have returned.
In the meantime Dawn here's what has come from my council...
If I was in your shoes (or is it sandles?) I would consider 'down-sizing' the amount of animals you are taking in / looking after. This will have the immediate short term effect of lowering your expenditure and making administering the remainder a lot easier. You could even 'moth-ball' all activities at HHDRC whereby you accept no more animals until finances improve. The ones that remain and get better are immediately released rather than kept on out of friendship etc.
Consider the release of the fittest and disease-free dogs back on the streets and sois.
You could also start to look for other ways to cut costs such as the removal of unnessesary things that are eating into your budget. You mentioned 50,000 baht a month to merely run the place! That is a whopping amount or have you included your own and your mums living expenses too?
In which case there is room for leverage by looking into your own lifestyle such as elimination of ALL unessentials such as cigarettes and drink, the complete adoption of a thai diet (prepare lose weight if you do!).
Do you need two members of staff? I'd try and see if the staff will work for a reduced 'Subsistence Wage' of your choosing (think enough to cover their own living: Like food and water and housing only). Its not being keeneow as you're not the sugar mummy flush with cash, so see if you can play to their sense of charity.
If they can't or won't accept it then give them their marching orders! See if they change their mind then, if not then fire one or even both of them (this option ties in directly with going with down-sizing the animals as less animals will ease the burden somewhat on you and your mum).
The most drastic (and brutal) is a controlled 'cull' of up to 50% of your 'unreleasables' by means of a (lethal injection / blunt force trauma). I would only consider this for the dogs unable to fend for themselves outside the HHDRC and even then only if closure was looking unavoidable.
I see method behind this though! They are the animals costing you the most to look after and burdening the staff more than the healthier ones! I can only assume that your medical bills for them are high indeed (are they taking up the lions share of your budget?).
Its harsh but if I had to choose right here right now of a the few dying to save the many I'd down-size / release / cull in a heartbeat.
On the other hand if the baht-bearing knights of Hua Hin are on the horizon riding towards the HHDRC then maybe the prognosis isn't as bleak as it seems. I'd spare the cull unless closure is days away (and no knights are around).
But (some of) Bloods words had a ring of truth to them Dawn, you can't save every dog in Hua-Hin (although you must be getting close!) and too many dogs will drain your resources to zero! My instinct suggests you'll make it. Next time I'd be more discerning and try not to allow kindness to outweigh the financial acumen HHDRC!
The time to act is now!
Go Forth and Good Luck!
I can still remember the article in the Observer, times were hard then, a shame they have returned.
In the meantime Dawn here's what has come from my council...
If I was in your shoes (or is it sandles?) I would consider 'down-sizing' the amount of animals you are taking in / looking after. This will have the immediate short term effect of lowering your expenditure and making administering the remainder a lot easier. You could even 'moth-ball' all activities at HHDRC whereby you accept no more animals until finances improve. The ones that remain and get better are immediately released rather than kept on out of friendship etc.
Consider the release of the fittest and disease-free dogs back on the streets and sois.
You could also start to look for other ways to cut costs such as the removal of unnessesary things that are eating into your budget. You mentioned 50,000 baht a month to merely run the place! That is a whopping amount or have you included your own and your mums living expenses too?
In which case there is room for leverage by looking into your own lifestyle such as elimination of ALL unessentials such as cigarettes and drink, the complete adoption of a thai diet (prepare lose weight if you do!).
Do you need two members of staff? I'd try and see if the staff will work for a reduced 'Subsistence Wage' of your choosing (think enough to cover their own living: Like food and water and housing only). Its not being keeneow as you're not the sugar mummy flush with cash, so see if you can play to their sense of charity.
If they can't or won't accept it then give them their marching orders! See if they change their mind then, if not then fire one or even both of them (this option ties in directly with going with down-sizing the animals as less animals will ease the burden somewhat on you and your mum).
The most drastic (and brutal) is a controlled 'cull' of up to 50% of your 'unreleasables' by means of a (lethal injection / blunt force trauma). I would only consider this for the dogs unable to fend for themselves outside the HHDRC and even then only if closure was looking unavoidable.
I see method behind this though! They are the animals costing you the most to look after and burdening the staff more than the healthier ones! I can only assume that your medical bills for them are high indeed (are they taking up the lions share of your budget?).
Its harsh but if I had to choose right here right now of a the few dying to save the many I'd down-size / release / cull in a heartbeat.
On the other hand if the baht-bearing knights of Hua Hin are on the horizon riding towards the HHDRC then maybe the prognosis isn't as bleak as it seems. I'd spare the cull unless closure is days away (and no knights are around).
But (some of) Bloods words had a ring of truth to them Dawn, you can't save every dog in Hua-Hin (although you must be getting close!) and too many dogs will drain your resources to zero! My instinct suggests you'll make it. Next time I'd be more discerning and try not to allow kindness to outweigh the financial acumen HHDRC!
The time to act is now!
Go Forth and Good Luck!
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Thanks for the idea, Richard. Lomu, where are you? You were talking about wanting to skydive.... Not for me, did it once 5 years ago & while it was an unmissable experience & I'm so glad I did it, I have no wish to repeat it!!
Rider,
OK, a lot of points to answer & I'll probably miss one out, knowing me, but, here goes:
Strictly I have stopped taking new dogs in. Our policy has been "No new dogs, only treat them on the street" for about a year now. Unfortunately, people still dump them & I'm too soft, even my volunteers (who know the situation better than any) will call with "Dawn, I've just seen this dog & there's X wrong with it..." And I end up saying "OK". But strictly, we are on a "no more dogs" policy at the mo.
I can't release any of the ones we have. They have no territory, nowhere to go. Those that could be released have been (or in the case of 2 at the mo, will be).
Of course, the 50,000 doesn't include money for me! Mum's currently in HK working to try & support littl'un & me. We've never taken from the center, given to it, sure, taken from it, no. It's 2 salaries, food, transport & vet fees mainly. Occasionally we have to repair pens, buy new water bowls or beds, brooms & cleaning materials etc as well. I have considered letting one of the staff go. That means I have to take her place, which is very difficult, esp at weekends, as I have all the dogs at home to do at weekends. I really don't have the time to do her job as well as what I'm doing right now. But it may come to it. There's only me & 1 volunteer who does one morning a week now. The other volunteers are/have relocated.
A cull is out of the question. I have put dogs to sleep & will continue to do so when needed, but my definition of "needed" is when they are suffering & have no hope, not when they are "inconvenient" for me. I do understand your point, but I can't do it. I still have to live with myself.
My way of reducing numbers has been to try & get dogs adopted, which we've had a little success with, but not as much as we could do with.
I think you are right that I have to be harder & refuse more. It won't make me popular, but I know I have to consider the situation we're in first.
Rider,
OK, a lot of points to answer & I'll probably miss one out, knowing me, but, here goes:
Strictly I have stopped taking new dogs in. Our policy has been "No new dogs, only treat them on the street" for about a year now. Unfortunately, people still dump them & I'm too soft, even my volunteers (who know the situation better than any) will call with "Dawn, I've just seen this dog & there's X wrong with it..." And I end up saying "OK". But strictly, we are on a "no more dogs" policy at the mo.
I can't release any of the ones we have. They have no territory, nowhere to go. Those that could be released have been (or in the case of 2 at the mo, will be).
Of course, the 50,000 doesn't include money for me! Mum's currently in HK working to try & support littl'un & me. We've never taken from the center, given to it, sure, taken from it, no. It's 2 salaries, food, transport & vet fees mainly. Occasionally we have to repair pens, buy new water bowls or beds, brooms & cleaning materials etc as well. I have considered letting one of the staff go. That means I have to take her place, which is very difficult, esp at weekends, as I have all the dogs at home to do at weekends. I really don't have the time to do her job as well as what I'm doing right now. But it may come to it. There's only me & 1 volunteer who does one morning a week now. The other volunteers are/have relocated.
A cull is out of the question. I have put dogs to sleep & will continue to do so when needed, but my definition of "needed" is when they are suffering & have no hope, not when they are "inconvenient" for me. I do understand your point, but I can't do it. I still have to live with myself.
My way of reducing numbers has been to try & get dogs adopted, which we've had a little success with, but not as much as we could do with.
I think you are right that I have to be harder & refuse more. It won't make me popular, but I know I have to consider the situation we're in first.
"The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But, can they suffer?" - Jeremy Bentham, philosopher, 1748-1832
Make a dog's life better, today!
Make a dog's life better, today!
Just a thought but how many of those collection boxes have you got around town? Don't think I've ever seen one.
Should have them in the Hilton, Sofitel, Bus stations, Railway stations and I'm sure most of the HHAD sponsors would let you put one there.
Secondly have you approached immigration about having farang volunteers without a work permit (they can issue you a document allowing this) and the tessabahn or police about a little assistance.
If they tell you to bugger off go and release 50 dogs outside their office and see how they like it then! You are helping this town so you deserve to get a little back.
Should have them in the Hilton, Sofitel, Bus stations, Railway stations and I'm sure most of the HHAD sponsors would let you put one there.
Secondly have you approached immigration about having farang volunteers without a work permit (they can issue you a document allowing this) and the tessabahn or police about a little assistance.
If they tell you to bugger off go and release 50 dogs outside their office and see how they like it then! You are helping this town so you deserve to get a little back.
Who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed? - Hunter S Thompson
Another thought but it might have been voiced before
How about an appeal to the palace based on the Kings love of dogs voicing your plight and backed by all your achievements to date and of course copying in all the provinces high dignatories
Think of the 'brownie points' they might earn in return
How about an appeal to the palace based on the Kings love of dogs voicing your plight and backed by all your achievements to date and of course copying in all the provinces high dignatories
Think of the 'brownie points' they might earn in return
RICHARD OF LOXLEY
It’s none of my business what people say and think of me. I am what I am and do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. It makes life so much easier.
It’s none of my business what people say and think of me. I am what I am and do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. It makes life so much easier.
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Closure of Hua Hin Dog Rescue
Blood
For someone that has only been in Hua Hin for two months you seem to have a lot of knowledge as to what is going to happen(ie New dog centre).
Why dont you get off your hobby horse and look around you and enjoy it instead of been a negitive person.
You are privileged to be in Hua Hin a guest of the Thai people so dont arrive there wanting to change the world.
I f what people do to make Hua Hin a better place annoys you, like you said TREAD SOFTLY you havent earned the right yet to speak for all of us.
rosievictoria
For someone that has only been in Hua Hin for two months you seem to have a lot of knowledge as to what is going to happen(ie New dog centre).
Why dont you get off your hobby horse and look around you and enjoy it instead of been a negitive person.
You are privileged to be in Hua Hin a guest of the Thai people so dont arrive there wanting to change the world.
I f what people do to make Hua Hin a better place annoys you, like you said TREAD SOFTLY you havent earned the right yet to speak for all of us.
rosievictoria
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Buksi & Richard,
Thanks for the suggestions. OK, collection boxes aren't actually as good a source of money as you might think. And I don't have any more to put out. The reason they aren't that good is staff hide them away (we took one out of a book & magazine shop permanently after going in to empty it, being unable to find it, searching for 10mins & eventually finding it on the floor hidden by a display of books), staff steal them and, even when they are left out, in many we only get satangs and foreign coins. Our 3 best ones are in our shop, Ken Diamond's & Hua Hin Ham, Bacon & Meat Co. Also, top hotels won't take them, bars aren't good as the bg's don't like their tips going in our box instead of their pockets (understandably), we do have one in our vets & the pet shop we use.
I think I've mentioned the Royal Family's interest in the tessadban facility, before, Richard.
I don't think it's the need for a work permit keeping volunteers away, Buksida, I just think nobody wants to do it, and the few that might don't have the time. The tessadban won't help much more, they've helped as much as they're going to, I think. They do allow us to go on the streets & publicise ourselves etc., but they promote their own place & prefer to keep the 2 places very seperate (in concept, not in geography)
Thanks for the suggestions. OK, collection boxes aren't actually as good a source of money as you might think. And I don't have any more to put out. The reason they aren't that good is staff hide them away (we took one out of a book & magazine shop permanently after going in to empty it, being unable to find it, searching for 10mins & eventually finding it on the floor hidden by a display of books), staff steal them and, even when they are left out, in many we only get satangs and foreign coins. Our 3 best ones are in our shop, Ken Diamond's & Hua Hin Ham, Bacon & Meat Co. Also, top hotels won't take them, bars aren't good as the bg's don't like their tips going in our box instead of their pockets (understandably), we do have one in our vets & the pet shop we use.
I think I've mentioned the Royal Family's interest in the tessadban facility, before, Richard.
I don't think it's the need for a work permit keeping volunteers away, Buksida, I just think nobody wants to do it, and the few that might don't have the time. The tessadban won't help much more, they've helped as much as they're going to, I think. They do allow us to go on the streets & publicise ourselves etc., but they promote their own place & prefer to keep the 2 places very seperate (in concept, not in geography)
"The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But, can they suffer?" - Jeremy Bentham, philosopher, 1748-1832
Make a dog's life better, today!
Make a dog's life better, today!
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Re: Closure of Hua Hin Dog Rescue
Agreed.rosievictoria wrote:Blood
For someone that has only been in Hua Hin for two months you seem to have a lot of knowledge as to what is going to happen(ie New dog centre).
Why dont you get off your hobby horse and look around you and enjoy it instead of been a negitive person.
You are privileged to be in Hua Hin a guest of the Thai people so dont arrive there wanting to change the world.
I f what people do to make Hua Hin a better place annoys you, like you said TREAD SOFTLY you havent earned the right yet to speak for all of us.
rosievictoria
This thread was started by Dawn to try and get some funding and ideas about funding to enable her to save it from closure. The topic is not meant to be a topic on the pros and cons of whether or not it should exist and what the policy on stray dogs should be. The fact is that Dawn does this and has the support of many decent folk.
When clueless people like Blood burst in on the thread the best thing for everybody is to ignore it. It only serves to muddy the waters and distract genuine concerned posters from placing valuable input.
Blood. You have an opinion. This is not the correct thread for the debate. There have been many. Do a search and get onto one of them if you must express you opinions based upon two months in Hua Hin to those of us who have been here for many years.
Leave this thread for constructive positive input only.
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closure of hhdrc
GUESS
YOU ARE WONDERFUL
What you have said is just how most of us feel
Well done
rosievictoria
YOU ARE WONDERFUL
What you have said is just how most of us feel
Well done
rosievictoria
I quite agree:jackie wrote:Dawn I have just been to a dog rescue web site D.E.L.T.A rescue and they have a Paypal account for people who want to donate via the internet. I think this is a very good idea for people to make donations to you if they are not in Thailand.
,farang wrote:I am sure once the story is published HHDRC would needalready to have an a/c available where the readers could
send their donations once the story is published. Same with the net facilities for accepting net donations.