Jockey wrote: That's very rude B&S! You set up a poll to guage peoples opinions, then slag them off if they don't like or see flaws in your idea. Were you one of these spoil t children that always got there own way or may be you still are?
Not slagging off people or their votes, merely commenting on some revealing thought processes as gauged through some statements. Each to their own then.
Corrections edited and my apologies.
BahtandSold heading to stand in the corner now...
PS: if anyone thinks for one second I want to see a Venice beach, Pattaya, Atlantic City, Blackpool or (???) in lovely Hua Hin, you'd be completely mistaken. Rather, accept we have a main tourist beach, which will get increasingly more populated and it's either soon, or too late after, to try and make it better, unique and special, before the onslaught makes it truly 'impossible'.. Just my humble opinion.
B&S I have walked the beach both ways when I have been there and enjoy that walk much more that I would with a boardwalk.
If you build it where you are taliking about that is a fairly sheltered part of the beach so in peak summer will be very hot indeed, walking on the beach at least gives you the chance to take in whatever breeze there is available.
My other reasons would be, if the path is only a metre or so wide and it gets as popular as you envisage, I would imagine that most people will be taking the option of the beach walk against the boardwalk becuase it will just get to crowded in peak season.
With more and more familys holidaying in Hua Hin the last thing I would want is walking down there and being held up with traffic jams of prams and screaming kids.
You will also get the push bike brigade that are a scurge now all over the world, cycling on pathways and not the roads, thinking that they are cycling in the olympic sprint race and thinking that they own the place.
The other major obstical I can see is that you are not going to get major hotels and home owners to give up valuable beach front land where most have set up cafes and bars. What happens when they go to sell and the boundaries are different to what they are on the house deeds, how does the new owner reclaim his land
There is also a safety factor of what you are building it on. I would imagine that the beach sufferes from erosion like any other beach when the sea is rough, so can also see that as a drawback.
If it was on a river, good idea but on a beach like Hua Hin not such a good idea.
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PS: if anyone thinks for one second I want to see a Venice beach, Pattaya, Atlantic City, or (???) in lovely Hua Hin, you'd be completely mistaken. Rather, accept we have a main tourist beach, which will get increasingly more populated and it's either soon, or too late after, to try and make it better, unique and special, before the onslaught makes it truly 'impossible'.. Just my humble opinion.[/quote]
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This is also my humble opinion HUa Hin has a wonderfull beach which we can make better, unique and special. And this would also raise up the value of adjacent Beach Front Property. I'm still young and still believe impaossible is nothing. But to build this walkway now. Naaa. Thaois are too selfish (a dose of self critizism to me as Thai as well) of their Beach front property.
I'll give this project 10 years from now the go ahead by then.
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chelsea wrote:B&S I have walked the beach both ways when I have been there and enjoy that walk much more that I would with a boardwalk.
The understudy wrote:
This is also my humble opinion HUa Hin has a wonderfull beach which we can make better, unique and special. And this would also raise up the value of adjacent Beach Front Property. I'm still young and still believe impaossible is nothing. But to build this walkway now. Naaa. Thaois are too selfish (a dose of self critizism to me as Thai as well) of their Beach front property.
I'll give this project 10 years from now the go ahead by then.
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I dunno guys, I just see things differently, as is my way I guess.
I came to lovely HH in '97 and built the first true cyber cafe from a dirt plot near the Melia (Hilton now) called Mega Bytes Bistro, with the first 'cyber jukebox' in Hua Hin (what's commonly referred to as MP3's now) great food, smoothies, drinks, wine by the glass even (unheard of then almost) and a proper English breakfast (still unheard of in many parts:) and had a sign board out front with clipped on printed daily from the net, headlines and sports from separate intnl newspapers from England, Germany, Sweden etc, plus daily printed weather maps and forecasts for forward destinations, Phuket, Samui, etc. I had an eye all the while on franchising the concept to Samui, Phuket, CM, Pattaya etc, but many said it was ahead of it's time. Well, in '97, perhaps they were right and now, it's too late ironically.
Through the process of eventually selling the business, I discovered we didn't have a National online advertiser, in English, so I made one (bahtSold.com) and many said it was ahead of it's time, or 'impossible' (gratefully, 40,000 plus unique visitors a month and almost as many advertisers now may disagree;).
I then decided since Thailand was (is) still behind the digital curve, I'd make the first National advertising broadsheet, (from my laptop, distributed in the beginning by hand, all over the country). Again, many said it was 'impossible' or ahead of it's time, and this time, they were right, as it was proven (well, it actually made a profit from day one, if only the advertisers actually paid;)
ALL this time, a couple things remained constant - I absolutely love Hua Hin, passionately, more than anywhere on the planet to be honest and the other constant is: change.
Hua Hin IS changing, rapidly. One doesn't see it as much living here perhaps, but it's ongoing. One thing we ALL have in common is, no matter when we arrived, we all want it to 'stay the same' (as in whenever we arrived, last week, year, or 20 years ago). Yet, by our very choice to move here, or vacation here, WE are causing the very change WE don't wish to see. Yet it is changing and growing and will continue to do so as more and more and more arrive (ironically, all with the same thoughts - DON'T change MY Hua Hin! - yet you just did, by moving here, or visiting here)...
The question becomes, do we recognise this reality and try to do our best to enhance Hua Hin in preparation of this certain change? My small contribution is suggesting a beach walkway, which may seem and feel sacrilegious, but the reality is, with greater #s of people to come (Expat & Thai) the liklihood of making such a 'small' project in the future would become much more difficult.
Many, many years ago, someone in Vancouver had the audacity to say 'We should make public access paths and walkways through our west end park area' (called Stanley Park, all virgin forest then, as was much of 'downtown'). Many said "Are you MAD? We're surrounded by forests and besides, anyone can walk through them if they so choose, or are able". Well, years later, right beside what is now a huge metropolis, (predicatable to some) the walkways through gorgeous Stanley Park are now easily the most accessed and beloved feature of 'modern' Vancouver.
I 'simply' want to see a walkway along lovely Hua Hin beach, to be enjoyed by all, now and in the future...
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bahtandsold,
I have tried to make constructive comments and posts on this thread, but your comparison of your various business ventures to this concept of a beach walkway really doesn't hold any water for me. Well done on your various enterprises, but seeing and acting on a business opportunity is a completely different, almost alien i would say, thing to planning and building a public resource which is purely intended to benefit the community, with no cash profit to any individual or business. This last point is why i believe it wouldn't get very far in today's Thailand/Hua Hin, because the mentality here is not to do something for the public good in the main, although there are honourable exceptions ( this is not exclusive to Thailand incidentally!). However successful and popular the walkway in Vancouver is, Canada is far removed from Thailand in both attitudes and prosperity, and more importantly taxes, which i am pretty sure are what paid for the Vancouver path. The Understudy is right in my opinion, in that Hua Hin and Thailand are just not ready for such projects, even if they are funded by well meaning foreigners; most Thais just won't understand the concept, or what good it does for them. A better use of the money that would be spent on this would be a litter awareness campaign, or some other educational project to make people more aware of the world around them; until the general public feels some responsibility for their individual affect on the environment there will be no understanding of this or any similar concept. Thailand is still a developing country and its people have more important things to concern themselves with than whether the farangs have somewhere to jog on Hua Hin beach. Please don't take this personally as in essence it is a good idea, but there are so many other things that need addressing first.
I said earlier, I've been reading this thread for a few days. I was actually the 2nd person to vote, but did not make any comment at that time. I voted in support of the concept.
However, seeing the idea illustrated by photographs its not what I was expecting. I'd love to see some form of walkway along the coastline - my favorite place to visit during the day in Hua Hin is the little cafe on the walkway past the Chinese Temples. I really think an extension of something like that would be fantastic, although it would obviously impose upon a lot of existing property.
The idea you illustrated by photograph just above the beach-line simply does nothing for me - it's little better than walking on the beach.
When I walk the beach, I like to walk the waterline - the sand is firm, and if I'm getting hot I can venture into the sea to cool off. I just love looking at the various sea life washed ashore.
With an idea like this, I have to say that I don't what difference 10 years would make.
Wanderlust wrote:bahtandsold,
I have tried to make constructive comments and posts on this thread, but your comparison of your various business ventures to this concept of a beach walkway really doesn't hold any water for me.
Simply put, the 'somewhat' parallel theme were concepts deemed 'not needed', 'impossible', or 'ahead of their time'.
BTW, your comments on this thread were a comparative breath of fresh air. Sincere thanks for some thoughtful input.
Wanderlust wrote:bahtandsold,
I have tried to make constructive comments and posts on this thread, but your comparison of your various business ventures to this concept of a beach walkway really doesn't hold any water for me.
Simply put, the 'somewhat' parallel theme were concepts deemed 'not needed', 'impossible', or 'ahead of their time'.
BTW, your comments on this thread were a comparative breath of fresh air. Sincere thanks for some thoughtful input.
Fair enough - I think 'ahead of their time' fits perfectly for this one, for the reasons i have already stated.
I think 'ahead of their time' fits perfectly for this one, for the reasons i have already stated.
I have no qualms about your reasons - they are very well presented, and totally valid. However, I can't agree with comments made by others about the period of time being 10 years.
Yes, the Thai population is slowly being dragged in to the 21st century, but I think the necessary mentality to appreciate such an attraction for what it is rather than a short-cut, rat-run etc is much further than 10 years away.
You have a vaalid point right there. It could take even longer than 10 years but what I meant was in at least for 10 years this Boardwalk/Pathwalk could not been realised. but what comes after taht depends of the devellopment of Thai Society it may take longer til Thais come into terms and start to think of a Pathwalk by themselves. Lets hope for the better!
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A number of reasons for this that are probably too many to go into here and most already appear on this thread in some form or other.
I never wish to be negative but there is much to be said for living in reality and after more than 20 years experience of Thailand, my guess is..it ain't going to happen.
Sorry Babe, nice thought, and I'm sure it would work fine in a lot of places. Sadly those places are not in Thailand. The motorbike issue for one makes it a no no. Anyway - the walk along the beach to Takiab is much more of a challenge and gets your muscles working if you do it the hard way on the sand.
That's very rude B&S! You set up a poll to guage peoples opinions, then slag them off if they don't like or see flaws in your idea. Were you one of these spoil t children that always got there own way or may be you still are?
