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Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:11 pm
by pharvey
handdrummer wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:28 pm Not according to the WHO

The same people who said not to worry, no problem.
Personally, I have questions over what the WHO are saying, let alone anyone else. There's huge cover-ups throughout IMHO. Comparisons to "Annual Flu", road accidents, air quality etc. are quite frankly BS - sorry. This is a new disease, very difficult to control and very worrying IMHO. We now have increased deaths in Italy and a potential big spread to Austria. This is not under control.....

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:10 pm
by centermid7
^^ AMEN to this

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:59 am
by Thistle
On a lighter note,a quote taken from the comments page on the BBC web page;
"It's absolutely preposterous that the W.H.O are involved with this.Moon and Entwistle have passed and although Daltrey and Townshend are well versed in music and stuff,as far as i can tell have no expertise on Virus's"

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:52 am
by HHTel
Start of another day in the 'End of the World' saga. Figures updated at 07:24 Thai time today:

China has altered it's definition of cases and now include 'clinically diagnosed cases'

79,774 cases( up 611)

Deaths: 2,630 (up 159)

25,353 recovered. (up 1,757)

Currently infected: 51,791 (down 1,305)
Mild cases: 40,224 (78% of currently infected)
Serious or critical: 11,567 (22% of currently infected)

Recovered or died: 27,983 (up 1,916)
Recovered/discharged: 25,353 (91% of the total with outcome)
Died: 2,630 (9% of cases with an outcome) Keep an eye on this percentage.

Currently deaths outside of China is 36.
Although China seems to be heading in the right direction, the % deaths in cases with an outcome other than China is running at around 15% which is worrying.

Thailand has 35 cases with 15 recovered and 2 critical. 20 currently infected.
For some reason, yesterday stated 21 recovered! Seems 6 have become infected again!!!


73,607 'flu deaths 2020

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:05 pm
by PeteC
Coronavirus: Tenerife hotel with hundreds of guests locked down

Hundreds apparently means 1,000 + -


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51627597

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:18 pm
by PeteC
^ The article has been edited, initially saying 1,000 people staying there, to now saying "hundreds".....

Regardless, it's a lot, and security is preventing anyone from going anywhere.

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:09 pm
by HHTel
Thailand has 35 cases with 15 recovered and 2 critical. 20 currently infected.
For some reason, yesterday stated 21 recovered! Seems 6 have become infected again!!!
I think that was a 'typo' on the site. It's since been corrected as 22 recovered, 15 still infected (2 more were confirmed today)

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:05 am
by PeteC

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:42 am
by HHTel
Start of another day in the 'End of the World' saga. Figures updated at 08:05 Thai time today:

China has altered it's definition of cases and now include 'clinically diagnosed cases'

50,598 cases( up 824)

Deaths: 2,712 (up 82)

28.110 recovered. (up 2,757)

Currently infected: 49,776 (down 2,015)
Mild cases: 40,556 (81% of currently infected)
Serious or critical: 9,220 (19% of currently infected)

Recovered or died: 30,822 (up 2,839)
Recovered/discharged: 28,110 (91% of the total with outcome)
Died: 2,712 (9% of cases with an outcome) Keep an eye on this percentage.

Currently deaths outside of China is 48.

Thailand has 37 cases with 22 recovered and 2 critical. 15 currently infected.

74,984 'flu deaths 2020

Shipping lines, ports count cost as coronavirus hits supply chains

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:05 am
by Nereus
A knock-on affect not yet mentioned. A report last week in Australia claimed that there is a big backlog of containers sitting in China, both empty and loaded.
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Shipping lines, ports count cost as coronavirus hits supply chains

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKBN20E2GN

LONDON (Reuters) - China is struggling to resume normal trade operations as fallout from the coronavirus outbreak hits container shipping lines and logistics chains, with goods stuck and costs mounting, industry officials say.

The epidemic has upended global supply chains and caused widespread disruption to businesses and factory activity in China, prompting authorities to deliver a steady stream of policy measures over recent weeks to cushion the blow to growth.

China is a vital player in the container sector, transporting everything from fresh food to phones and designer clothes as well as industrial parts.

The world’s biggest container line Maersk (MAERSKb.CO) warned on Thursday that the coronavirus outbreak would weigh on earnings this year, adding to pressure on a sector already hit by trade wars and an economic slowdown.

“We are experiencing huge pressure at (Chinese) port terminals because there aren’t enough workers at the ports to move the containers around, not enough truck drivers to move the goods, and no one to receive them at the factories or warehouses,” Maersk’s chief executive Soren Skou told reporters on Thursday.

“We have lots of ships laying idle in Asia, because we have cancelled many loadings out of China in the last two weeks.”

The world’s number two container line MSC said the discharge of refrigerated reefer containers was also affected due to problems with power sources.

“The blanked sailings and reefer congestion issue are likely to contribute to a shortage of containers in some regions,” an MSC spokesperson said, referring to cancelled port calls.

The MSC spokesperson added that a surge in demand for containers was expected when production capacity in China returns to normal.

Shipping consultancy Alphaliner estimated that 46% of scheduled departures on the major Asia to north Europe route had been cancelled in the past four weeks.

“We are beginning to see the impacts in terms of trade flows,” said Richard Ballantyne, chief executive of the British Ports Association trade body.

“This will mean higher costs for shipping and problems further down the supply chains such as increased costs and shortages of certain commodities.”

Anesco, the Spanish dockworkers’ employers association, said it estimated that container volume could decrease by up to 30% in coming months due to the impact of the virus, which would result in economic losses across Spain’s ports.

Rotterdam, one of Europe’s busiest ports, was already expecting a fall in volume in 2020 from throughput volume of 14.8 million TEU (20-foot equivalent units) in 2019.

“We expect a negative impact somewhat south of 1% container throughput per annum in 2020,” a port spokesman said.
“It is a common feature that - after such a production interval - there is a spike in production as well as cargo shipment afterwards to make up for lost time.”

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:13 am
by Nereus
Ships Are Skipping China and It’s Causing Turmoil for Trade

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -for-trade

By Alex Longley
15 February 2020, 7:00 am GMT+7
Hundreds of thousands of shipping containers out of action
Energy and commodity giants, retailers have been impacted

February 2020 will come to be remembered as a period of historic disruption to physical supply chains the world over, as the coronavirus wrecks trade.

Dozens of export sailings to ship China-made goods to consumers from the U.S. to Europe -- think handbags, flat-screen TVs, and plastic toys -- have been canned since the coronavirus crisis escalated last month. Those non-shipments are part of a much bigger picture in which every aspect of global shipping -- from oil and gas through to dry-bulk commodities -- has been upended.

The unprecedented gyrations caused by the virus matter because 90% of all trade moves by sea and China has grown into the maritime industry’s main source of cargoes. The disruptions have left toy makers like Hasbro Inc. and fashion houses like the owner of Michael Kors, Versace and Jimmy Choo struggling with their supply chains. Vessels are idling. And exporters to China face diversions as clients there use force majeure clauses in their contracts to walk away from commitments to buy cargoes.

“All the signs are that there has been a major dislocation in global supply chains and commodity trade as well,” said Caroline Bain, chief commodities economist at Capital Economics. For some products “it’s only going to get worse in February data.”

Even at a most-basic level, shippers are struggling to sort out the necessary paperwork required for shipments involving China, snarling some trades in an industry where many transactions need physical documentation to accompany consignments.

All this has come about because the virus has led to hundreds of millions of people being told to stay away from work or education in China, squeezing output in the world’s fastest-growing major economy.

Container vessels that routinely move goods worth hundreds of millions of dollars in single shipments are at the sharp end of the turmoil. The number of blank sailings -- where ships don’t load at a planned location -- has jumped since the outbreak began. AP Moller-Maersk A/S, the world’s largest shipper, has listed at least 27 blank sailings since Jan. 31 on its website.

Almost 600,000 20-foot boxes are currently out of action as a result of the virus according to Alan Murphy, chief executive officer of container shipping analysis company Sea Intelligence, up from about half that amount just under a week earlier. Though rates can vary, using an estimate of $1,000 per container, that means shippers had to stomach a hit of $600 million this week. Ships may either be slowed down in the hope that demand improves in future weeks, or idled until things turn around, Murphy said.

Toy maker Hasbro said in earnings this week that the virus is disrupting its commercial operations in China -- from where it had already been seeking to diversify its supply chain as a result of the trade war. Capri Holdings Ltd. -- which owns Michael Kors, among other brands -- said its outlook may be impacted by the outbreak as it wrestles with potential supply chain issues.

There’s a knock-on effect for exporters in other nations too. Containers are typically used in U.S. and other regions to carry those countries’ exports. The lack of liners hauling containers from Asia, may soon mean countries like the U.S. face a shortage. It’s already getting a little more difficult to get empty ones in Canada, said Greg Northey, a spokesman for industry group Pulse Canada.

Nor is it just retailers. Last week, Hyundai Motor Co. temporarily halted some of its car production because of component shortages caused by the virus. Fiat Chrysler Autombiles NV is planning to halt operations at its assembly plant in Serbia due to a lack of parts from China because of the coronavirus, people familiar with the matter said.
The issues afflicting shippers of finished goods are also being felt in energy and commodity markets.

Traders of oil from West Africa, Latin America and the North Sea initially reported weaker demand from China, while some buyers of Saudi Arabia’s barrels have asked to get less than they would normally take for March. There were signs that falling crude prices encouraged some refineries in the Asian country to accelerate purchases.

In gas markets, one Chinese company declared force majeure, potentially allowing it to walk away from contractual commitments. The measure was rejected by Total SA and Royal Dutch Shell Plc. There are now 12 empty liquefied gas carriers sitting off the coast of Qatar, one of the world’s biggest producers. While the precise reasons for the idling vessels aren’t known, the timing coincides with ship diversions, cargo cancellations and reduced demand in Asia since the virus took hold. Oil tankers have been dawdling off China.

Chinese buyers of liquefied petroleum gas that’s used in cooking and heating are re-offering and diverting cargoes elsewhere because of weakening demand.

On top of that, shippers of bulk commodities like coal and iron ore have been battered as the virus delayed the resumption of demand after the typically slow China Lunar New Year period. Day rates for giant freighters to move the two cargoes are earning less than $2,500 a day -- a fraction of what they need even to pay their crew.

“You obviously have lost demand that it’s difficult to recapture,” said Frode Morkedal managing director of equity research at Clarksons Platou Securities AS, an investment banking unit of the world’s biggest shipbroker. “You can’t discharge your ship, you can’t load as fast as you want, so it’s impacting the global supply chain.”

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:56 am
by PeteC
^ All the Christmas items for the US and Europe need to ship by August. If things are still bad then it will be a tough Holiday Season in those places to find what's on little Jimmy's list.

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:34 am
by handdrummer
Consumers may discover that they don't need all the things they were going to buy.

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:56 am
by PeteC
Does anyone see a pattern developing that this virus spreads more slowly in tropical countries than in others?

I tend to see it from all the worldwide reports, and I guess it is the same with most viruses and flus being more severe in the cold winter months than in the summer. High ambient temperatures slows it down and perhaps even stops it.

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:53 am
by HHTel
I think I said as much at the beginning. Thailand is certainly one of the hottest countries in the 'league table' where we now stand at 10th place.
The weather certainly put SARS to bed so that could happen with WuFlu. The caution stems from the fact that we don't actually know if this virus is going to act similarly.
Singapore with 93 cases has a similar temperatures to Thailand.

Fingers crossed.