Dannie Boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:31 am
... as a former employee of the CEGB who initially operated Dungeness B (a plant I visited a number of times),
Tsk, look, this simply won't do. We can't have people who know what they're talking about discussing topics here on the forum. I mean, where will it lead to? We'll end up with musicians discussing music, photographers discussing photography, cyclists discussing cycling, scientists discussing global warming; well, you get my drift. I'm sorry, but it's just not good enough and has to be nipped in the bud.
Dannie Boy, back in your box and stick to stuff you know nothing about!
This is about orders for electric cars at the UK's largest independent fleet and lease car company:
Orders for diesel and petrol cars at Zenith in June were surpassed by those for battery electric vehicles (BEVs) for the first time.
The top 10 FN50 leasing and fleet management company says that pure electric vehicles (EVs) accounted for more than half (54%) of orders in June, compared to almost a third (32%) in the same month last year.
Over the past 12 months, Zenith reports that 41% of orders were for BEVs.
Demand for electric vans also increased in June to account for 69% of van orders compared to 1% in June 2020. Over the past 12 months, demand for fully electric vans has built to account for almost one in three van orders. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/latest ... e-ice-cars
Chazz14 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:03 pm
A recent article I read recently said that the performance of batteries in EVs starts to deteriorate after 600 to 800 charging cycles.
for anyone who already has an EV:
Does the manual talk about battery life. If so, what does it say?
What is the approx. cost of a replacement battery?
According to the article below, while EV car batteries used to last only around 10 years or so, the newer batteries can last up to 3 times as long.
So for example, it says that:
a good Tesla car battery can last for up to 30 years.
[...]
Brand-new battery modules cost between $5,000 and $7,000.
I doubt that most people would keep a car for 30 years, so it looks like, at least for the newer Tesla models, the battery should last as long as you have the car.
Chazz14 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:03 pm
A recent article I read recently said that the performance of batteries in EVs starts to deteriorate after 600 to 800 charging cycles.
for anyone who already has an EV:
Does the manual talk about battery life. If so, what does it say?
What is the approx. cost of a replacement battery?
According to the article below, while EV car batteries used to last only around 10 years or so, the newer batteries can last up to 3 times as long.
So for example, it says that:
a good Tesla car battery can last for up to 30 years.
[...]
Brand-new battery modules cost between $5,000 and $7,000.
I doubt that most people would keep a car for 30 years, so it looks like, at least for the newer Tesla models, the battery should last as long as you have the car.
It obviously depends on the car model but as an example I found this doing a quick search for the Tesla Model S
“the cheapest estimate for an out-of-pocket, uncomplicated battery replacement on the Model S should run at about $12,000-$13,000 for the battery, $100-200 for miscellaneous parts, and $500-600 for labor. This puts the grand total at around $13,000-14,000.”
Chazz14 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:03 pm
A recent article I read recently said that the performance of batteries in EVs starts to deteriorate after 600 to 800 charging cycles.
for anyone who already has an EV:
Does the manual talk about battery life. If so, what does it say?
What is the approx. cost of a replacement battery?
According to the article below, while EV car batteries used to last only around 10 years or so, the newer batteries can last up to 3 times as long.
So for example, it says that:
a good Tesla car battery can last for up to 30 years.
[...]
Brand-new battery modules cost between $5,000 and $7,000.
I doubt that most people would keep a car for 30 years, so it looks like, at least for the newer Tesla models, the battery should last as long as you have the car.
It obviously depends on the car model but as an example I found this doing a quick search for the Tesla Model S
“the cheapest estimate for an out-of-pocket, uncomplicated battery replacement on the Model S should run at about $12,000-$13,000 for the battery, $100-200 for miscellaneous parts, and $500-600 for labor. This puts the grand total at around $13,000-14,000.”
Tesla car batteries don’t have a scheduled “expiration” date. Batteries have complex potentials, and they’re certainly unpredictable. Various factors affect their performance, efficiency, and actual capacity.
Batteries lose their power over time. You can’t expect them to function as brand-new throughout the car’s lifespan. As the storage capacity gradually reduces, it ultimately affects the overall efficiency.
I can see no proof that batteries will last for 30 years, cannot have been tested. Also If one little bit is faulty it looks as if you replace the whole module.
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
“Our figures show that an electric car which travels 10,000 miles a year has transport costs of under £20 per month. And to show how cost effective EVs can be, a customer at automotive components manufacturer, Unipres, was able to travel 31,000 miles at just £320 per annum in electricity charges, which is a huge saving over conventional motoring costs.” https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/latest ... e-ice-cars
Also, surely any vehicle that is capable of doing about 50,000km a year of commercial driving is not inadequate.
" doubt that most people would keep a car for 30 years, so it looks like, at least for the newer Tesla models, the battery should last as long as you have the car."
My Mercedes is 27 yrs. old and I have no reason to replace it.
My father drove a 1939 LA Salle until 1999, then sold it to a collector. It was still running well.
If you buy a good automobile and take care of it it will last a long time.
handdrummer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:35 pm
" doubt that most people would keep a car for 30 years, so it looks like, at least for the newer Tesla models, the battery should last as long as you have the car."
My Mercedes is 27 yrs. old and I have no reason to replace it.
My father drove a 1939 LA Salle until 1999, then sold it to a collector. It was still running well.
If you buy a good automobile and take care of it it will last a long time.
STEVE G wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:08 pm
This is why businesses are turning electric:
“Our figures show that an electric car which travels 10,000 miles a year has transport costs of under £20 per month. And to show how cost effective EVs can be, a customer at automotive components manufacturer, Unipres, was able to travel 31,000 miles at just £320 per annum in electricity charges, which is a huge saving over conventional motoring costs.” https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/latest ... e-ice-cars
Also, surely any vehicle that is capable of doing about 50,000km a year of commercial driving is not inadequate.
30,OOO miles in a year is not high, I used to o betweem 50,000 to 60, 000 miles per annum. Could never done it if I had to stop to charge batteries. Thanks Steve you have just demonstrated battery driven cars asre not good. Plus their performance would go down with battery dterioration.
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
We can't have people who know what they're talking about discussing topics here on the forum. I mean, where will it lead to? We'll end up with musicians discussing music, photographers discussing photography, cyclists discussing cycling, scientists discussing global warming; well, you get my drift. I'm sorry, but it's just not good enough and has to be nipped in the bud. 
