Crime fighting

[Poe]

http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... 83&t=25833
http://timothyjmaguire.com/wordpress/wp ... 1/guns.jpg

http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0210e.asp
http://www.gunssavelife.com/blog/2009/0 ... rol-works/

Quotes:
“Why do I carry a gun? Because a cop is too heavy”.
“Better to have a gun and not need it then to need a gun and not have it”.
“I don’t carry a gun because I am evil; I carry because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world”.

SJ, check out the first link…..that could be why our numbers are so high.

[lomuamart]

Has anyone seen someone break a glass on a bar and try to stick it into someome's face. I have.
It happens in an instant and luckily the glass missed.
Who needs a gun?
Edit - that was the most violent thing I have ever seen.

[LAnative]

Huh? SJ is telling someone they don't know what they are talking about when discussing American culture? Aren't you British SJ? How did you get to be the expert? Have you been to America?
HHFarang- a good "BURN" about my mental health and legal weapons. I did own an M-1 rifle legally for many years. I was a damn good shot with it thanx to my uncle Sam. The application doesn't ask for a detailed history of your mental health. Someone with violence induced stress anxiety (PTSD) doesn't qualify as "crazy". It asks if you have ever been hopitalized in an institution for mental illness. That really means nothing as most of the insane never get hospitalized. Many get elected. Besides that anyone can lie on the form. But most of all it is easier, quicker and cheaper just to get one off the street that can't be traced. Do you think the thousands of LA gangbangers have LEGAL weapons? Last I checked license or no AK-47's weren't legal anywhere in Cali.

DQ

[Super Joe]

Huh? SJ is telling someone they don't know what they are talking about when discussing American culture?

Not me DQ, think you're getting the quotes mixed up, as usual.

SJ

[BaaBaa.]

I wasn't aware the septics had a culture.

[PeteC]

I wasn't aware the septics had a culture.

Now now BaaBaa. First rule of gunmanship is to aim at an individual, not the crowd. Pete

[BaaBaa.]

I wasn't aware the septics had a culture.

Now now BaaBaa. First rule of gunmanship is to aim at an individual, not the crowd. Pete

Sorry Pete.

Friendly fire.

[LAnative]

BaaBaa (you WANT to be known as crazy?)" Loose cannon" is an American expression meaning people who "go off" or "shoot off their mouth" frequently and irresponsibly and damn the consequences. It also refers to a cop with a trigger happy finger who gets off shooting his "gun".
This is an exchange of slangs in thanx for "Septics". I like collecting slangs from other countries. Are you Australian?
Aussies refer to Americans (in private generally) as "Septic tank Yanks" I always took the term Yankee to be similar to Wanker. which I have been called on this forum. I might someday publish a pamphlet on derogatory slangs to call others from around the world so that they don't know they are being insulted. Thanx BaaBaa!

DQ

[norm]

I for one have never been threatened or felt unsafe anywhere I have been. certainly never felt the need to have a gun to protect myself. Never had the house broken into or anything stolen. Never been mugged or in a fight (since I was a teenager).

Maybe I have just hung out with the wrong crowd of people to miss out on all the fun some of you had.

I'm curious, how many of you have really felt threatened to the point where a gun would be required?

[migrant]

I'm curious, how many of you have really felt threatened to the point where a gun would be required?

I grew up in deep, downtown Detroit, Michigan, most years always one of the top 3 for murder capital of the US. Lots of problems, fights, etc, but guns were rarer then. Now I wouldn't venture to my old neighborhood at all.

Also spent a lot of time in Honduras, a country that has very little law and a 'check your weapons at the door' rule for most restaurants, shops and bars. Every public place has heavily armed guards.

I've had training with guns, am pretty comfortable with them, yet have never gotten into a situation where I needed one.

Twice I've had guns pulled on me in anger, but I've been able to calm the situation down. I try to stay out of situations that would put me at danger.

If forced to though I would not hesitate to protect my family, but I wouldn't use a gun without heavy provocation.

[Wanderlust]

But most of all it is easier, quicker and cheaper just to get one off the street that can't be traced. Do you think the thousands of LA gangbangers have LEGAL weapons? Last I checked license or no AK-47's weren't legal anywhere in Cali.

DQ

I think the whole point is that a zero tolerance attitude to guns, which I think is what is the case now in the UK, means that it pervades most of the society, and offenders are much more likely to be reported by the public and caught by the police. I'm pretty sure that the majority of untraceable illegal weapons in the USA were once legally owned weapons in someone's store or house, which is why clamping down on owning guns reduces the number in circulation eventually, and hopefully also the death rate from those weapons. As it stands in parts of the US now I think the only way to persuade people not to carry assault rifles would be to adopt a shoot on site policy for the police - if someone is seen carrying an AK-47 then it has to be assumed they are (a) up to no good, having already broken the law by possessing it, and (b) intending to use it (why carry it otherwise?). Given the lethal ability of that weapon in particular I can't see how you can treat it any other way. That could slowly be applied to other types of guns, until you end up with a bunch of dead criminals and the others afraid to carry such weapons any more. You obviously also have an amnesty period where such weapons can be handed into police without fear of arrest. The much lauded amendment to the US Constitution was never drafted with the current situation in mind, and the average American has shown that they are not able to possess guns safely for the intent that amendment was made for - the statistics given by SJ on the other thread prove that I think.

[LAnative]

Right on Wanderlust !(going back to the 60's in Detroit). Unfortunately the gun lobby won't allow the sane solution. It is too lucrative and lobbying pays for political campaigns. American policy in Nicaragua in the 80's was PAID for by weapons sales to our enemies in the CIA backed Iran-Contra scandal. Weapons also keep the population down in a form of "Social Darwinism".

DQ

[LAnative]

Very interesting thread. A broad spectrum of views from outside America one I can't get here. Great stuff.
But it seems some of you are part American

DQ twatting again

[LAnative]

SJ Thanks to the lousy shots in Britain, America won the Revolution and is now free to shoot anyone it can. Especially relevant on July 4 Independence day. (Today here)
BTW Don't agree that the Constitution is outdated and made for a time of the Wild West. Check the facts. It was written far earlier than that and the 2nd amendment does NOT justify everyone owning a gun. It specifically mentions owning weapons for use in a MILITIA to defend the country only.
Geo. Bush had a similar view on wiretapping Americans by saying the prohibitions on same were outdated and for another time.
Defending basic human rights is never outdated (but owning a gun is not one of them)
DQ twatting again

[lindosfan1]

lanative said
"America won the Revolution and is now free to shoot anyone it can"

Which is does look at the cock ups its made. Vietnam, Iraq/Iran, Grenada.
ETC.