Laotian girl cut in half by speeding Porche

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Spitfire wrote:You are a silver tongued chap MrP, you could probably defend Hitler in a court of Israeli judges with some success. :shock:

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Have to agree with SF with regards to a few of your posts MrPlum - you do also ''crack me up big style at times'' (honestly)..... on this thread however some of your comments are a no-no for me. Of course you're going for a ''big'' or ''emotional'' response from fellow posters - I've certainly been very close to giving a few myself to be honest. The driver and his family are far from innocent IMHO - why give reasoning to protect them?

At the end of the day you can look at this horrible incident in a number of ways, but ultimately the true cause was an inexperienced driver in a very powerful car, driving far and above the legal speed limit...... It's not really a ''Hang on, the daft bitch didn't look what she was doing'' problem... Many lives have been destroyed.

Your phoning father comment......... my father would have disowned me - and quit rightly so.
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Really really tragic. Some punishment should be dealt out so that the young lad learns a life long lesson for his big big mistake!
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T.I.G.R. wrote:I do care about feeling some real sympathy for a fourteen year old girl who deserves a little bit more respect from you. Not an arguable point please.

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Since I've already expressed concern for the victim, I do not care for your misrepresentation, nor would I be so callous to describe the victim as a 'daft bitch'.

This topic is not just for expressions of concern, or outrage and nobody on here has any connection to the victim. Nor are any members of the girl's family likely to read these posts. if they were, then ALL speculation is inappropriate. Not just the speculation you care for. You do not know the girl or the family so please spare me the guilt trip. If you wish to talk facts, it is a reality that in a few days, no-one will be checking this thread, including you. :idea:

You mention 'belief' twice in your reply. Belief is not fact. The girl is 17, not 14, and the fact that you were INSIDE a Porsche is not evidence of the speed she might have been struck, on the OUTSIDE. I would expect the car to be in a far worse state had it been travelling at a higher speed. But that, too, is just speculation.

It is reported that while the car owner was in Hong Kong, the son decided to take the car for a spin with a friend. The girl (he claims) crossed the road from behind a bus, probably looking the wrong way, (since they drive on the other side of the road in Laos) and she was struck. Witnesses should be able to corroborate this. The car owner is now back in the country making sure the victim's family is recompensed.

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The perpetrator has reported to the Police and has been bailed. According to the NATION the police have charged him with 'manslaughter and hit and run', which is clearly a felony charge (so be happy :thumb: ). 'He was taken to police by his father and a relative, Jaran Thatsiriworrawat, who said the family was sorry for what happened and was ready to be held responsible.'

Thai 'due process', such as it is, will decide his guilt. Under our law you are 'innocent until proven guilty'. I don't know if this is the case in Thailand. As far as I can see, some members have abandoned this standard in this particular incident.

The fact is because the guy was driving a Porsche, it has becomes a rich versus poor debate, in a country where many road traffic accidents occur. On weekends I read there are 20 to 30 deaths from accidents in Bangkok alone. You KNOW what is coming during Songkran. There is no such sympathy or outrage expressed by members, for all these other avoidable deaths, where the vehicle is a Honda Jazz.

Clinging vainly to what you see as more civilised, westernised, first world mores and venting on an internet forum will not change this country and will just create more frustration. Nor does it help to hear members complaining about corruption, who offer up 200 thb to every Policeman who asks for it. :?

Until such time as the law gives them more protection, the onus is on pedestrians to treat roads with caution. Just as much as it is on the driver to assess and slow down for every possible situation where there is risk. But how many people actually do that? Do you?

If it turns out he was doing 160 kph and she never stood a chance, then I agree, he should be punished but we don't know that yet.

The sad reality is that with dogs, animals, motorbikes shooting out, minivans, badly lit roadworks and lighting, this could happen to any of us, at any time.

Irrespective of this particular incident, here is the litmus test for all you 'outraged' out there...

If you hit and killed someone here in Thailand and were given the option of a few years in jail or a totally, mutually acceptable cash disbursement to the family (and a cut to the police), what would you honestly do?
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Fair point Mr P.
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Some very good points in Mrplums last post.
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Good point Mr Plums, isn't some news about boxing die for 400 bath somewehre!!!
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Peerapol Thaksinthaweesap, 19, a first-year Rangsit University student, admitted culpability, police claimed. He admitted speeding, saying he was travelling at about 120kph when he struck Kambai Inthilat. (Bankok Post)
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MrPlum wrote:The girl (he claims) crossed the road from behind a bus, probably looking the wrong way, (since they drive on the other side of the road in Laos) and she was struck.
Yeah, probably.

Let's put this to bed then.
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MrPlum wrote:
If you hit and killed someone here in Thailand and were given the option of a few years in jail or a totally, mutually acceptable cash disbursement to the family (and a cut to the police), what would you honestly do?
I'm sure the answer to that question would be quite straightforward, everyone would pursue the cash payment :|

Another question would be, in the same circumstances, what if it was your son or daughter that was mowed down by a speeding driver, cut in half & left to rot at the side of the road.

Would you happily accept a cash disbursement from the driver/family? :idea:
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redzonerocker wrote:Another question would be, in the same circumstances, what if it was your son or daughter that was mowed down by a speeding driver, cut in half & left to rot at the side of the road.

Would you happily accept a cash disbursement from the driver/family? :idea:
I don't know about 'happily' but I would if it was offered in good faith.

The question is academic because...

'The teenage driver of a Porsche involved in the death of a 17-year-old Lao girl has apologised and agreed to pay 350,000 baht aid money to the victim's family.'

Mrs Ulai replied: "I forgive you. Don't worry." Image

Both broke into tears as they hugged each other.

An insurance company will also pay 200,000-baht compensation to the victim's family.

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As if to demonstrate the fragility of human life, A French man was just carted off to hospital in an ambulance, right outside my door. He'd ridden his motorbike into a telegraph post. When I went out to help and tried to get him to talk, he looked at me blankly. Drunk. :?
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Mr. P -

You're the kind of guy that can never lose an argument or discussion.......you just keep rattling on and on until the other guy gives up. I also like to have the last word, so here's mine.

Yes, you do make some good points, but all I was trying to point out is a couple that are a little lame.

If you want to continue to assert the driver was only doing 120 kph and that speed would tear a person's body in half there is not us trying to convince you otherwise. I will continue to assert that he was driving at a much higher rate of speed, and that higher rate of speed is a determining factor of why this particular accident bothers me enough to continue this thread......or to continue arguing the point with you.

You also keep mentioning the driver's assertion that the girl stepped out from behind a bus, and in your last message you augment that unsupported claim by stating the girl probably was looking the wrong way because she is from Laos where they drive on the other side of the road. Give me a break. If you're going to give the rest of us grief for speculation and erroneous assertions please hold yourself to the same standard.

Finally, for this morning anyway, you really get my goat with your claims that you know what everyone else would do given a particular set of facts......like your assertion that no-one will be checking this thread in a few days, including me. I read every post in threads when I'm interested in them because the forum relays a notice to me that another post has been made......and I DO pay attention and read them. You should quit telling us all what we would do....as you don't have any idea of even what you would do until reality strikes.

You state: "Until such time as he is proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt (a western standard) of breaking any law, then it remains a tragic accident."

That isn't ever going to happen here and we all know it, so we can feel free to make that judgement ourselves can't we? I vote for Not Quite. I'm not buying the tragic accident part on his behalf because once again, even a nineteen year old should have more common sense than to drive as fast as I think he was driving. And of course you and I do agree that each of us can think anything we want.

And I really love that picture of him reporting to the police with his two friends or relatives.......a nice theatrical touch.........yuk!
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As if to demonstrate the fragility of human life, A French man was just carted off to hospital in an ambulance, right outside my door. He'd ridden his motorbike into a telegraph post. When I went out to help and tried to get him to talk, he looked at me blankly. Drunk. :?
Objection your honour! The witness is speculating.
Who says the victim was drunk, maybe this poor man was on medication or for whatever other reason looking at the witness blankly. Being in an accident could be a good reason.

To quote from a previous post by the witness:
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He'd ridden his motorbike into a telegraph post.
Do they still use the telegraph in Thailand? :? :rasta:
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