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prcscct wrote:
Nereus wrote:Just one of the casualties:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... llion-baht
“More than 1,000 employees of about 300 shops inside Centre One are now jobless because of the arsonists," Mr Rattapol said.
Well, put that in your pipe and smoke it Ma and Pa kettle up-country when daughter or son doesn't send home their contribution this month, or for many months to come. Multiply that by thousands more clerks and similar who are now also out of work. Is there a Red Shirt insurance fund to reimburse members for consequences such as these? Pete :cheers:

Add all the hotel employees, the street souvenir sellers, bar girls, etc. to that equation.
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I'm still waiting to see any evidence of the 500 heavily armed hardliners that were the justification for the Army firing live rounds at protesters for several days.
The right to protest is legal under the constitution, but for the Army to be used against that protest is not.
Are you surprised that attacking less than 5000 people with a task force sufficient to invade a neighbouring country causes people to get upset?
On tuesday there were some positive signs of a peaceful outcome brokered by the senate, but the establishment wasn't happy with this and decided they could do things better by using over twenty armoured vehicles and 30,000 troops.
Judging by the results, they were wrong.
They seemed oblivious to the fact that there were more red shirts gathered behind their cordon than was contained within it and were then unable to contain the inevitable destruction that had been widely predicted for days.
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It is widely reported over here in Blightly that Mr T has warned of an outbreak of guerilla war. A prediction, or a call to arms?
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Jim wrote:It is widely reported over here in Blightly that Mr T has warned of an outbreak of guerilla war. A prediction, or a call to arms?
Yes, in Londonderry, in 1972, the Army firing on demonstrators that it claimed were armed led to over twenty years of terrorist warfare.
The Thai establishment should read some history before they start shooting people.
Before this crackdown the situation was still containable; now it might not be.
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STEVE G wrote:I'm still waiting to see any evidence of the 500 heavily armed hardliners that were the justification for the Army firing live rounds at protesters for several days.
The right to protest is legal under the constitution, but for the Army to be used against that protest is not. Are you surprised that attacking less than 5000 people with a task force sufficient to invade a neighbouring country causes people to get upset?
Why do you need 500no. heavily armed fighters, 50no. could cause cause enough carnage, 4/5no. caused 25no. deaths.

Have you seen the tv footage yet of the weapons and explosive chache found by the troops in the camp, might make you have second thoughts, will post it later, but included:
1) Stocks of M16's & AK47's.
2) Grenades.
3) Fire bomb elements found in container between Ploenchit and Chidlom intersections, able to unleash powerful blast within 100m radius
4) Police found red shirts weapon found in Sarasin and Pathum temple including bomb-making equipment & chemicals.
5) Troops on a clearing mission on Sukhumvit Road found fire bomb assembly substances in a container between Ploenchit and Chidlom intersections able to unleash powerful blast within a 100-metre radius if the bomb was assembled.
6) Barrels of chemical components for building fire bombs, four more barrels of the same chemicals were also found under the truck and placed near its NGV cylinder. One hundred metres of electrical wire was taped from the truck connected to a Skytrain foundation pillar, ready to ignite.

STEVE G wrote:On tuesday there were some positive signs of a peaceful outcome brokered by the senate, but the establishment wasn't happy with this and decided they could do things better by using over twenty armoured vehicles and 30,000 troops
"We call for a ceasefire and a troop withdrawal to stop this war," Reds leader Weng Tojirakarn reiterated TuesdayWithdraw the troops just as they neared the final stage of their operation, NO government would have done that IMO.
Dictating terms is hardly a negotiation, the government were justified IMO in dismissing their desperate last minute attempts at stalling for time.

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STEVE G wrote:I'm still waiting to see any evidence of the 500 heavily armed hardliners that were the justification for the Army firing live rounds at protesters for several days.
The right to protest is legal under the constitution, but for the Army to be used against that protest is not.
Reports are that there were around 100 "black shirts" interspersed with around 3,000 red shirts that all ditched their colours to blend in with civilians and used women, the elderly, and children as shields. Of course the figures will change with whatever media source you follow but the fact of the matter is that these people were given plenty of warnings and ultimatums, yet they remained defiant, used heavy weapons against public places, attempted to ignite petrol stations and tankers, and actually burnt banks, hotels, hospitals, buildings and peoples businesses and property.

I've said this before but I think they got off lightly by being allowed to stay there for 2 months, any other country would have stamped on it within 24 hours.
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And there are farang loonies running around joining in

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And sounds very much "southern" English... Not only unbelievable and extremely annoying, but a complete embarrassment for decent UK nationals that not only these pr*cks exist, but flaunt themselves on TV.

I for one hope his "announcement" of burning and looting is enough to get him shot. I will be glad to invest in software/hardware/printing to take a still of the b@st@rd from the video and post it everwhere necessary.
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BTW Richard, good to "see" you posting - where are you now? If still up north (as they say)... how are things? Feeling safe, or waiting for all to kick off?

Anyway, take care.
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Thanks for your concern

Yes still in the wilds and was getting worried about the repercussions with the reds returning home but all seems quiet and they laugh when I talk about the curfew. The wife has even gone out into the bush tonight bug and frog hunting

They are so isolated here
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Great to hear yourself and family OK - truly hope this sh*te gets sorted out. Very worried at the moment with it kicking off in other areas......
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This isn't over

The volcano may have gone up in BK and been quelled but 'the fault' is still there

Fear it will go on for years to come :(
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cozza wrote:I have noticed the Red supporters on this forum have been quiet...

I wonder if their views of support have changed in all that has unfolded, or is it much of the same excuses?
The most prolific pro-red poster, Sargeant, is offline because of internet problems. He's been having problems since before the crackdown. I'm sure he'll post again as soon as he can. It's not like he's reticent or anything.
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cozza wrote:I have noticed the Red supporters on this forum have been quiet...

I wonder if their views of support have changed in all that has unfolded, or is it much of the same excuses?
With respect, you have your views and all that......

Who here has supported the violence, thuggary and general moronic behaviour displayed - and thats just talking about the behaviour of the so-called security forces.

Well actually, quite a few of you.

Violence begats violence, so just what did you think would happen at the end? Truth be told, in most other places, including the UK, they would never have been allowed to set up camp in the first place and efficency would have been pretty much the norm.

Talk, talk and talk and then try to talk some more, thats what should have happened, but we're not dealing with the west and western ways of dealing with things and western values, are we? So stop judging it by such measures.

I agree with others that have posted here, that this whole thing is now likely to go underground and this will only be resolved when something is ceded to what is now clearly a loose association of different groups that now come under the 'red' umbrella, although I would expect the use of 'red' to change now.

Do remember that about 70% of those protesting were extimated to have come from Bkk and its environs, but that will fall on deaf ears to this Govt. who just want any opposition smashed especially if its you know who and that hasn't been managed.

Maybe the next thread should be about the way forward? One guess is that Abhisit, who now has no credibility, certainly internationally and I would suspect with a large chunk of his own people and those with the power do what they like with him, will at some stage fade away as he's now a barrier for progress, if such a thing is possible?
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This quote has been appearing quite a bit on discussion sites.
This is what the then leader of the opposition Abhisit Vejjajiva said about PM Somchai Wongsawat following the death of two PAD protesters in October 2008:

"Regarding the entire incident, the prime minister cannot reject being responsible for not performing his duties, or for intending that this incident would occur. But what is worse is to blame the officials, that is, to slander the people. I could not think or dream that we would have a state that does harm to the people, even including deaths and severe injuries, and still have a state that even shifts responsibility to the people. This behavior is unacceptable.

I have heard the government asking this or that person whether they were Thai or not. But regarding your [Somchai Wongsawat] behavior, are you a Thai or not? Are you human or not? Today, politically, your legitimacy is gone already. We demand that the prime minister shows responsibility.

There is no democratic political system in this world in which the people are harmed by the state, but the government that came from the people does not show responsibility. Even if the PAD had done something wrong, the government had no right to do harm to the people."

When asked how there could be such a big crisis, while the PM could still remain in office, Abhisit answered:

"I cannot answer this. I have never been such a person. The normal human beings that I know are not of this kind."
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