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fft100 wrote:Yorkshire pudding invented in France ? tell me not so.

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http://britishfood.about.com/od/england/f/yorkpudds.htm
•The origin of the Yorkshire pudding is, as yet, unknown. There are no cave drawings, hieroglyphics and so far, no-one has unearthed a Roman Yorkshire pudding dish buried beneath the streets of York. The puddings may have been brought to these shores by any of the invading armies across the centuries but unfortunately any evidence of this has yet to be discovered.
•The first ever recorded recipe appears in a book, The Whole Duty of a Woman in 1737 and listed as A Dripping Pudding - the dripping coming from spit-roast meat.
'Make a good batter as for pancakes; put in a hot toss-pan over the fire with a bit of butter to fry the bottom a little then put the pan and butter under a shoulder of mutton, instead of a dripping pan, keeping frequently shaking it by the handle and it will be light and savoury, and fit to take up when your mutton is enough; then turn it in a dish and serve it hot.'
•The next recorded recipe took the strange pudding from local delicacy to become the nation's favorite dish following publication in The Art of Cookery Made Plain and Easy by Hannah Glasse in 1747. As one of the most famous food writers of the time, the popularity of the book spread the word of the Yorkshire Pudding. 'It is an exceeding good Pudding, the Gravy of the Meat eats well with it,' states Hannah.
Take a quart of milk, four eggs, and a little salt, make it up into a thick batter with flour, like a pancake batter. You must have a good piece of meat at the fire, take a stew-pan and put some dripping in, set it on the fire, when it boils, pour in your pudding, let it bake on the fire till you think it is high enough, then turn a plate upside-down in the dripping-pan, that the dripping may not be blacked; set your stew-pan on it under your meat, and let the dripping drop on the pudding, and the heat of the fire come to it, to make it of a fine brown. When your meat is done and set to table, drain all the fat from your pudding, and set it on the fire again to dry a little; then slide it as dry as you can into a dish, melt some butter, and pour into a cup, and set in the middle of the pudding. It is an exceeding good pudding, the gravy of the meat eats well with it.
•Mrs Beeton may have been Britain's most famous food writer of the 19th century but her recipe omitted one of the fundamental rules for making Yorkshire pudding - the need for the hottest oven possible. The recipe was further wrong by stating to cook the pudding in advance before placing it under the meat an hour before needed. Yorkshire folk blame her error on her southern origins.

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In recent years, there has been some discussion regarding what constitutes a Yorkshire pudding. Even the British Royal Society of Chemistry has lent its august weight to the discussion declaring, from a chemical point of view, that a Yorkshire pudding should have a minimum height of 4 inches (100cm). Yorkshire folk and those of Yorkshire ancestry would tend to disagree with this statement and apply a different chemical formula, if the art of cooking must be reduced to such industrial terms.

The fact is that there are now two forms of Yorkshire pudding – the traditional version made in the roasting pan or large flat casserole dish and the puffier type produced in individual muffin pans and popularized by restaurants. The individual type has a lower fat content but, conversely, is much less filling and therefore does not serve the pudding’s original purpose.
:offtopic: Roast beef and yorkshie pudding is not about Grace's American Burgers: The worst costumer experience...anyway Yorkshire pudding is from Yorkshire..hence the name :P
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I do agree that the basis of a good Yorkshire Pudd is in using the hot fat residue from the roast beef. It really gives a much better flavour to the pudd than using only lard. (Or these days oil.)
The next great debate is height and density of the pudd - and thats where people differ a lot. My very own Mum - a Yorkshire lass - says that they should have a thick dense base with no puffing up around the edges. That to me is wrong - yes you need the lighter crispier outside edges, but still with a good dense base.
Thats where the mass produced Aunti Bessie versions go wrong IMO - no substance. It is possible to achieve puffy edges with a dense base if the oven temp is right and - importantly - if the amount of batter used is right. I can only conclude that Mum is far too stingy these days with the amount of batter and hasn't had a decent Yorkshire for far too long. But I know better these days than to argue with her....
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I do agree that the basis of a good Yorkshire Pudd is in using the hot fat residue from the roast beef. It really gives a much better flavour to the pudd than using only lard. (Or these days oil.)
I've never had this dish, but it sounds yummy :? ... and very healthy! :shock:
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Who gives a hoot about Yorkshire Pudding??????? This thread is about HAMBURGERS and a GRUMPY COOK.

Now look at what you did! I'm grumpy too!! It might be because I three putted six times today but I think it's mostly about the off topic pudding discussion.

I'm also hungry after golf so I'm going to have another American favorite: Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. The wife is having: ............................................stinking fish again......my God, doesn't anyone in this country eat BEEF??????????
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T.I.G.R. wrote:Who gives a hoot about Yorkshire Pudding??????? This thread is about HAMBURGERS and a GRUMPY COOK.

Now look at what you did! I'm grumpy too!! It might be because I three putted six times today but I think it's mostly about the off topic pudding discussion.

I'm also hungry after golf so I'm going to have another American favorite: Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. The wife is having: ............................................stinking fish again......my God, doesn't anyone in this country eat BEEF??????????
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richard wrote:Eating beef or Buffalo is like eating your tractor. They are working animals to the rural Thais
We eat lamb in Wales and they're working...... oh bugger, I'm digging myself a hole here :oops:
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pharvey wrote:
richard wrote:Eating beef or Buffalo is like eating your tractor. They are working animals to the rural Thais
We eat lamb in Wales and they're working...... oh bugger, I'm digging myself a hole here :oops:
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richard wrote:
T.I.G.R. wrote:Who gives a hoot about Yorkshire Pudding??????? This thread is about HAMBURGERS and a GRUMPY COOK.

Now look at what you did! I'm grumpy too!! It might be because I three putted six times today but I think it's mostly about the off topic pudding discussion.

I'm also hungry after golf so I'm going to have another American favorite: Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. The wife is having: ............................................stinking fish again......my God, doesn't anyone in this country eat BEEF??????????

Yuk! Sound a bit bland..bring on the stinking fish :mrgreen:

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Some beef is so tough, you may as well eat your tractor :P
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hhfarang wrote:
I do agree that the basis of a good Yorkshire Pudd is in using the hot fat residue from the roast beef. It really gives a much better flavour to the pudd than using only lard. (Or these days oil.)
I've never had this dish, but it sounds yummy :? ... and very healthy! :shock:
Yes, yummy HHF..but unfortunately not very healthy! :twisted: Think of the batter they put on fish in fish and chip shops and this is it :) I am going to find you a recipie, so you can make it :) The most important thing is oven temp and put the "batter" into the hot fat/oil. It does benefit from leaving in the fridge to get icy for an hour or so :wink: I will post a new thread as it is off topic.
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Siani wrote:
richard wrote:
T.I.G.R. wrote:Who gives a hoot about Yorkshire Pudding??????? This thread is about HAMBURGERS and a GRUMPY COOK.

Now look at what you did! I'm grumpy too!! It might be because I three putted six times today but I think it's mostly about the off topic pudding discussion.

I'm also hungry after golf so I'm going to have another American favorite: Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. The wife is having: ............................................stinking fish again......my God, doesn't anyone in this country eat BEEF??????????

Yuk! Sound a bit bland..bring on the stinking fish :mrgreen:

Eating beef or Buffalo is like eating your tractor. They are working animals to the rural Thais
Some beef is so tough, you may as well eat your tractor :P
Agreed but there is some very good Thai beef. The stock is a French breed and it is properly reared east of Bangkok (grazed not fed pellets) slaughtered and hung properly in cold storage rooms

The end result is nearly as good as Argentinian, Zimbabwean and Scottish Aberdeen Angus and they are the best in the world

I reckon the chef at the Bistro would back me up on that

Bear in mind, I'm talking roasts and steaks and not burgers. Most burgers are the same as German sausages. Sweepings off the floor
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Siani wrote:
hhfarang wrote:
I do agree that the basis of a good Yorkshire Pudd is in using the hot fat residue from the roast beef. It really gives a much better flavour to the pudd than using only lard. (Or these days oil.)
I've never had this dish, but it sounds yummy :? ... and very healthy! :shock:
Yes, yummy HHF..but unfortunately not very healthy! :twisted: Think of the batter they put on fish in fish and chip shops and this is it :) I am going to find you a recipie, so you can make it :) The most important thing is oven temp and put the "batter" into the hot fat/oil. It does benefit from leaving in the fridge to get icy for an hour or so :wink: I will post a new thread as it is off topic.
Agreed

I love my meat, beer battered fried fish, Yorks pudding and pancakes but so many doctors and dietitians have said all are bad for you. Acidic and bad for your heart, blood pressure and bad cholesterol. Fish and seafood are the way to go. BUT what the hell, life's too short :cheers: :cheers: ENJOY :cheers:
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margaretcarnes wrote:I do agree that the basis of a good Yorkshire Pudd is in using the hot fat residue from the roast beef. It really gives a much better flavour to the pudd than using only lard. (Or these days oil.)
The next great debate is height and density of the pudd - and thats where people differ a lot. My very own Mum - a Yorkshire lass - says that they should have a thick dense base with no puffing up around the edges. That to me is wrong - yes you need the lighter crispier outside edges, but still with a good dense base.
Thats where the mass produced Aunti Bessie versions go wrong IMO - no substance. It is possible to achieve puffy edges with a dense base if the oven temp is right and - importantly - if the amount of batter used is right. I can only conclude that Mum is far too stingy these days with the amount of batter and hasn't had a decent Yorkshire for far too long. But I know better these days than to argue with her....
My mum's was made with the beef drippings in a small roasting/baking pan not the cupcakes I see nowadays. Mum's edge was a good crunchy almost-burnt crust though (but she was from Bristol 555).
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...Agreed but there is some very good Thai beef. The stock is a French breed and it is properly reared east of Bangkok (grazed not fed pellets) slaughtered and hung properly in cold storage rooms

The end result is nearly as good as Argentinian, Zimbabwean and Scottish Aberdeen Angus and they are the best in the world

I reckon the chef at the Bistro would back me up on that

Bear in mind, I'm talking roasts and steaks and not burgers. Most burgers are the same as German sausages. Sweepings off the floor[/quote]

As McD says, "100% pure beef". Indeed, including anuses, snouts, nutsacks and other delicacies.
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hhfarang wrote:I've never had this dish
Bloody Yanks! :wink: :mrgreen:

The best ones are the huge ones with the whole Sunday dinner inside. :thumb:
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I'm also hungry after golf so I'm going to have another American favorite: Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. The wife is having: ............................................stinking fish again......my God, doesn't anyone in this country eat BEEF??????????[/quote]

I LOVE that macaroni cheese out of a box, but never see it on sale here in the UK! Will be hitting the Mall in December to stock up - (along with plenty of Lobo mixes.) :munch:

Mind you it ain't so long since Reeses hit our UK supermarkets so I guess there is still hope...
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