Vaccines - Covid 19

[hhinner]

I suspect that international travel will require something a little more sophisticated.

[huahin4ever]

Well I work offshore and the vaccination booklet/certificate are still in use. Especially if you travel to Africa most countries there want to see proof of Yellow Fever vaccine, and that one is recorded in this small yellow booklet. In mine all other vaccines are recorded too, so I'm pretty sure when I get (if I get) the Covid-19 vaccine the jabs will be recorded in this booklet. So I cannot see why this one cannot be used as your proof since it is valid for all internationally travel as of now.

[hhinner]

Well I work offshore and the vaccination booklet/certificate are still in use. Especially if you travel to Africa most countries there want to see proof of Yellow Fever vaccine, and that one is recorded in this small yellow booklet. In mine all other vaccines are recorded too, so I'm pretty sure when I get (if I get) the Covid-19 vaccine the jabs will be recorded in this booklet. So I cannot see why this one cannot be used as your proof since it is valid for all internationally travel as of now.

Maybe there'll be a big market for fake booklets when it comes to Covid-19.

[huahin4ever]

Well I work offshore and the vaccination booklet/certificate are still in use. Especially if you travel to Africa most countries there want to see proof of Yellow Fever vaccine, and that one is recorded in this small yellow booklet. In mine all other vaccines are recorded too, so I'm pretty sure when I get (if I get) the Covid-19 vaccine the jabs will be recorded in this booklet. So I cannot see why this one cannot be used as your proof since it is valid for all internationally travel as of now.

Maybe there'll be a big market for fake booklets when it comes to Covid-19.

The booklets are not so special. It is what is stamped and signed inside which matters. The booklets look different all over the world. See the pictures from this Google search:
https://www.google.com/search?q=vaccina ... AXoECB4QAQ

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[HHTel]

Thailand delays AstraZeneca Covid vaccine after European countries halt jabs over unproven blood clot fears

Thailand has followed several European countries and delayed the use of the Covid-19 Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine following reports of blood clots in some people - though there is as yet no firmly established link with the jab.

A media event with Thai prime minister Prayuth Chan-ocha receiving his first jab was cancelled less than an hour before the scheduled start in the wake of the decision.

In a news conference, health officials said the delay was based on the decision made by Denmark, Austria and others, as a precaution.

The Danish health authority said on Thursday it has no evidence the vaccine was responsible for blood clots.

Other experts pointed out that of the millions of AstraZeneca vaccine jabs administered elsewhere, including in the UK, there have been no reported cases of the vaccine causing blood clots or related problems.

ITV News Science Editor Tom Clarke said: "The incidence of blood clots seen so far following 11m doses of AstraZeneca vaccine - no higher than what we would expect to see in unvaccinated people."

Yong Poovorawan, an adviser to Thailand’s vaccination programme, said the delay – pending an investigation into the cause of the reported side effect – will not have a big impact on the rollout.

Thailand started its vaccination drive last month with an initial 200,000 doses of China’s Sinovac and 117,000 doses of AstraZeneca, which is also being manufactured locally.

The country aims to administer 10 million doses per month from June, and plans to cover at least half its population by the end of the year, though some say the campaign is too slow and inadequate.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-03-12/tha ... O52ShTdaxU

[handdrummer]

'ITV News Science Editor Tom Clarke said: "The incidence of blood clots seen so far following 11m doses of AstraZeneca vaccine - no higher than what we would expect to see in unvaccinated people."

They always use that line when trying to cover up or excuse a fault, as if that made it ok.

[dtaai-maai]

'ITV News Science Editor Tom Clarke said: "The incidence of blood clots seen so far following 11m doses of AstraZeneca vaccine - no higher than what we would expect to see in unvaccinated people."

They always use that line when trying to cover up or excuse a fault, as if that made it ok.

Presumably they also use it when the incidence of blood clots is no higher than normal...

[handdrummer]

'ITV News Science Editor Tom Clarke said: "The incidence of blood clots seen so far following 11m doses of AstraZeneca vaccine - no higher than what we would expect to see in unvaccinated people."

They always use that line when trying to cover up or excuse a fault, as if that made it ok.

Presumably they also use it when the incidence of blood clots is no higher than normal...

My point being, that blood clots are not normal. Illness is not normal, accidental death is not normal.

[dtaai-maai]

Then your point is daft, and I'm surprised you're drawing attention to it.

[handdrummer]

Then your point is daft, and I'm surprised you're drawing attention to it.

If your point is that blood clots, etc. are normal then, I hope you have good medical insurance and if those are normal, you may as well include all diseases and I'm glad that I don't live in your world.

[HHTel]

Oh for goodness sake. Deaths happen and illnesses happen. The normality of each case is the number of times it occurs within any given timeframe. People develop blood clots for various reasons. The article points out that the number of people developing blood clots in those people is no different than what is expected with or without a vaccine.

If you go on a bender then it's quite 'normal' to have a headache the next day.

Normal has many meanings in different contexts. I agree with DM on this one.

[pharvey]

Normal has many meanings in different contexts. I agree with DM on this one.

Yep.....

Blood clots IMO are certainly not abnormal - I have suffered with clots/DVT in my legs over the years due to previous injuries I've suffered to my knees and the added significance of extensive long distance travel. I'm damn sure I'm not alone with similar problems/issues.

Thankfully alcohol thins the blood....

[Lost]

A lot of EU countries jumping on the bandwagon now against their own scientists advice and reports. No real surprise there. Anything for a bit of bad press thrown at the UK, I guess.

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[pharvey]

A lot of EU countries jumping on the bandwagon now against their own scientists advice and reports. No real surprise there. Anything for a bit of bad press thrown at the UK, I guess.

No doubt the EU also want some excuse/diversion from their own inadequacies regarding the rollout there.

There's also a question over the terminology - some reports saying the vaccine has been "suspended" others saying "banned" and numerous stating this only being in reference to a specific batch.

[STEVE G]

The UK waived legal liability for the Astrazeneca vaccine to get advanced orders, so presumably the Government took on that liability themselves.