Global Warming/Climate Change 2

[Dannie Boy]

what happens if fossil fuels stop tomorrow and the GW continues

I have repeated the question steve and enlarged the most important bit and put it in red

The answer seems fairly obvious - whoever is around at the time is in the sh1t

[sargeant]

A brilliant quote straight from the last but one American bison

I see no signs that humans are overpopulated, quite the opposite in fact, as a species we are thriving.

Are you really suggesting a preemptive cull or controlled breeding program in order to reduce the use of fossils fuels for the purposes of extending the period of our dependence on them?

Not me gunga din i dont think me on my lonesome can do jack squat

Man will not deal with what it obviously needs to do to ie depopulate

edited to add for clarification of my point of view

I have consistently stated that it is CO2 deforestation urbanization and population growth combined that are to blame

[STEVE G]

what happens if fossil fuels stop tomorrow and the GW continues

I have repeated the question steve and enlarged the most important bit and put it in red

It wont, for that to happen you would have to rewrite about 200 years worth of physics. Oil companies like Exxon Mobil employ tens of thousand of scientists on a huge budget and even they can't find a hole in the basic theory. The only real question is how long, not if.

[Frank Hovis]

A brilliant quote straight from the last but one American bison

No, it could have been a quote straight from one of the hundred million bison that lived in North America before they were hunted to near extinction.
There never was 'a last but one bison' but those few hundred still alive in the late 1800's probably wouldn't have been so confident.

What indicators do you see that would suggest human overpopulation?

[sargeant]

My answer to my own question is that if it happened and co2 ceased and GW kept on rising we will hear a huge

oopsbugger it must be because there are no trees and the world is covered in concrete
but thats ok

I see no signs that humans are overpopulated, quite the opposite in fact, as a species we are thriving.

What indicators do you see that would suggest human overpopulation?

duuhh lets see GLOBAL WARMING PERCHANCE more houses more roads more power stations more cars more concrete less land for agriculture less clean water and shitty air quality
and i have only stopped at that because my finger is aching

[Frank Hovis]

duuhh lets see GLOBAL WARMING PERCHANCE more houses more roads more power stations more cars more concrete less land for agriculture less clean water and shitty air quality

And yet the population keeps growing, is getting healthier and living longer? Hard to believe given the obvious terror of more housing, better transport, better power supplies and greater access to clean water and sanitation.

Less clean water? Where's that?
In the last 30 years two billion people have had access to clean water that they previously didn't and every day more and more people are getting access to clean water.

Less agricultural land? Where's that?
Agricultural land use has increased by about 15% in the past fifty years, the amount of food produced from the same amount of land has nearly doubled due to better agricultural methods.

Air Quality, that's improving, at least in the US anyway but even in countries where it might not be improving it's not killing off the tens of millions of people as you might expect in an overpopulated world.

[sargeant]

Spoken like the man who has just ignored all the warning signs and been carried 500 mtrs down the railway track after all he was fine right up to when the train turned him into ketchup

I know you have not been on this forum very long ( not meant to be derogatory ) but this thread is the second thread on this topic with 815 replies and started in jan 2010 I do not expect you to go back and read all my posts on this subject in both GW threads so i will summarize it

I was challenged by a member to DO MY RESEARCH as i knew nothing. I then embarked on a 3 month 8/10 hours a day study not made easy by deliberately dumping anything biased or septic in any way, at the end of it i made my results known only to then have the person that challenged me to BOAST openly he was ignoring me (this may explain why i get into spats with this member) ignorance of both subject and manners is his forte
Trying to wade through thousands of pages just to find ONE that was unbiased is a chore and is why i do not accept any posts that are biased/propagandized either for or against GW
To me both should spend 3 months wading through the eternal crap both sides post as fact just to find a sliver of truth it might just make both sides wake up

[Frank Hovis]

Spoken like the man who has just ignored all the warning signs and been carried 500 mtrs down the railway track after all he was fine right up to when the train turned him into ketchup

Your allegorical rebuffs are quite amusing whatever the purpose may be.

I am aware of the 'Do your research' demand and I do not ask you to back up your statements with double blind, peer reviewed, documentation as I do not do that myself as you will have noticed.

I only put forward my points for discussion, not argument, and am willing to converse where there is a modicum of substance to the claims made, however suggesting that there is less fresh water and less agricultural land to support a claim of overpopulation when it is clear that there is more access to [edit] fresh water and better use of more agricultural land is, I hope, disingenuous but does nothing to further the discussion.

[hhfarang]

pure physics

Nearly missed that one because I wasn't reading this thread any longer!

[sargeant]

The point i have been making for a long long time is That there is NO single reason and the scientists have absolutely NO IDEA what %age of GW is down to
1.- Malankovic theory
2.- Deforestation
3.- Urbanization
4.- CO2

Maybe it is 90 % down to CO2 maybe it is as low as 50% but whatever it is until they start researching the other reasons and come up with accurate figures as to how much for what, it is all BS
I am also certain the NOTHING is happening at all brigade are out of their tiny minds

as for agricultural land and water well we are at the 20 yards to the xing so yes we are ok but then if you choose to ignore it mankind can drink ketchup

[MrPlum]

I was challenged by a member to DO MY RESEARCH as i knew nothing.

Do you dream about me? Are they nice dreams with unicorns and rabbits and candy floss?

Your grappling with the research was always a waste of time because the carbon commies have been 'fixing the science around the policy' for decades. When I posted a complex piece of GW science, to see how you would get on, it was clear you didn't understand it.

If your research is worth a damn, explain why the climate scientists didn't predict and cannot explain the current pause in warming?

I then embarked on a 3 month 8/10 hours a day study not made easy by deliberately dumping anything biased or septic in any way, at the end of it

Yet after this exercise, when asked to provide one scientist/link/source you felt could be trusted, you failed to do so.

i made my results known only to then have the person that challenged me to BOAST openly he was ignoring me

You are loud, argumentative and insulting. The very idea you could grasp the complexities was, in itself, laughable. Your bellowing to the world like a calf in distress, when you are ignored, has always been pitiful.

Do you feel better now?

ignorance of both subject and manners is his forte

[STEVE G]

The real reason why no one is seriously doing anything about global warming:

"According to James Leaton at Carbon Tracker, the market value of the top 100 public oil and gas companies and the top 100 public coal companies listed in the report exceeds $7 trillion, approximately 12% of the global public equity market. Making a simple assumption that State-owned companies and reserves have an equivalent market value per unit of carbon would suggest the global market value of proved fossil fuel reserves equals $27 trillion.

A real cap on carbon emissions designed to limit warming to two degrees implies sovereign states and public corporations will need to strand 80 percent of their $27 trillion of proved reserves. Rounding down, this implies a potential $20 trillion write off"
http://capitalinstitute.org/blog/big-ch ... kgLv1MbhAo

[sargeant]

If your research is worth a damn, explain why the climate scientists didn't predict and cannot explain the current pause in warming?

Because they like you have there heads halfway up their rear
they are trying to fit CO2 into all The so called data which does not take into account the effect of deforestation urbanisation and as i said about a link you provided the CFCs
They are almost as stubbornly wrong chasing CO2 as the sole cause as the septics are as stubbornly stupid at denying it is happening at all.
I may disagree with Steve G on how much CO2 is causing GW and argue all the causes must be taken into account.
But with you i KNOW you have done ZERO research know absolutely nothing about the science and have only one single solitary saving grace you are against carbon tax as am I

ignorance of both subject and manners is his forte

thankyou for proving that point

[MrPlum]

The real reason why no one is seriously doing anything about global warming

Because...

1. The bankers and their buddies on Wall St have made off with all the money to pay for it.
2. It is hard to convince you care about the planet while blowing it up and irradiating it.
3. The solutions offered won't fix the problem.
4. There are more pressing needs
5. Too many years of exaggerated claims and alarmist fear-mongering have harmed credibility.
6. People don't like to be taxed and criminalized, while the biggest polluters are given a pass.
7. Wind farms are a poor investment that ruin the landscape.
8. Climategate/'Hide the decline'
9. Money has corrupted scientific integrity. 'Scientists don't do pure science any more'.
10. The noisiest proponents are profiting from the hypothesis.
11. National sovereignty and civil liberties will be over-ridden to enforce global compliance.

[sargeant]

The solutions offered won't fix the problem.

So you finally after years of denying GW/CC agree with me there IS a problem
You also agree with me that the carbon tax BS solar and wind power wont fix it

At last this is progress

Fancy a round of golf