As this fiasco has unfolded I and a friend have discussed up down left and right we have now decided to write a joint post. We are with this post trying hard to just take our info, inform and be as neutral as we can
Up to this point 11th both of us were working on the following actors in this play
1. Peaceful red shirt protesters (although some of the Karaoke singing bordered on terrorism)
2. red/black shirt security (not many)
3. Seh Deang and his Ronin warriors (numbers unknown)
4. Abhisits government including military (difficult to work out who was pushing or pulling who)
We did however have reason to think that this wasn’t the full story for a few reasons
1. Abhisits statement of a third hand! This to us
at the time did not make sense because we couldn’t understand why he did not just come out and say Seh Deang. If he knew who they were and it wasn’t Seh Deang why didn’t he say so/identify them. (And make it easier to negotiate with the protest leaders). We after much discussion put it down to the eccentricities of Thai politics and possibly lack of proof.
2. On or about the 13th/14th one of us received information from a reliable source known to both of us (THAI) that (and he named said person who is no one you would readily think of) had his own army in the mix on the crackdown of the 10th and these were the (I will refer to them as the Ninja mob to differentiate them from Seh Deangs Ronin Warriors) he also said these
Ninjas were shooting in both directions. 5 red shirts deliberately head shot point to that it also says they were not there to assist red shirts or the govt/military.
Whilst we both trust this person and are sure he would not just up and tell lies for effect or the hell of it. We could not be sure that his information that he had received was accurate. We also at that time could not see a clear gain for the named person nor why Abhisit would not name him (due to our lack of reasoning I am afraid, we can see it all to clearly now)
Buksi then posted this link
http://atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE29Ae02.html
Whilst we were both sceptical of the Asia times link due to who we believe either is or certainly was the owner 1995-1997 and his politics, Asia times online is the remnants of Asia times newspaper journalists which makes its bias doubtful, even so the actual piece with some unanswered questions did seem believable. It does inevitably however try hard to point a finger at Thaksin as being responsible for the Ninjas (which plays perfectly for the person we won’t name). It also tries to
make out the people that they were interviewing
WERE the Ninjas which they were
NOT. We do believe they were Ronin Warriors.
One of us then found this please read it first
http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... -runs-deep
I will stick to blue type for cut and pastes from this link and brown for the Asia times link
These were not the regular black-attired security guards employed by the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship, or UDD, anti-government protest group who generally didn't carry guns. These were the secretive and heavily armed agent provocateurs whose connections, by their own admission, run to the top of the UDD, also known as the red shirts.
At least until another unnamed commandant he described as second to Khattiya arrived to assume command and investigate why journalists were with the gunmen.
The arrest last Sunday (16th) of Seh Daeng's right-hand man, Pichet Sukchindathong,
Twenty-seven men crouched in darkness inside the tent.
Fewer than half were paramilitaries, the rest regular black-shirts providing support and catering to the gunmen's needs.
Despite media speculation that the Ronin were comprised of former anti-communist commandos, most of the men we met were much too young, looking to be in their early 20s. Many had been paratroopers and one said he came from the navy. Most originated from the same upcountry, rice-basket provinces the majority of red shirts called home. Several said they were still active-duty soldiers. (Our emphasis)
Hardly a description of hardened experienced Special Forces personnel.
The Ninjas we saw in action on the 10th most certainly were though.
An army source revealed that Seh Daeng's faction consisted of only about 10 people, most of them trained in the use of M79 grenade launchers. The ``un identified militant group'' meanwhile included about 20 people _ former rangers, former police, former soldiers as well as some who are still in service. (Our emphasis)
Yet another faction is a small private army of about 20 personnel who work for an influential figure in Bangkok.
We are
not sure but think these two groups of 20 are one and the same but are definitely
NOT Ronin warriors
That is something that gives credence to the Asia Times article but does also clearly indicate there
WAS a third hand, and it FITS perfectly with our respected human source
The source said that although Seh Daeng coordinated these groups, mapped out strategies and tactics to counter any offensive move by the government and army, he did not command the forces. Each faction reported to its own chief. They were only temporarily allied to help the red shirts. (Our emphasis)
At the time on the 10th/11th the Ninja we saw on TV and photos seemed older and were alleged to be Cambodians (that fits with what our source told us although it was the main reason we were sceptical of HIS source at first) a reminder from note 2 (and he named said person who is no one you would readily think of)
Be aware that almost all Special Forces personnel are multi lingual so they may well have spoken in Cambodian to hide their true identity and to point the finger away from the real boss and aim it at the obvious. It could be just plain old Govt propaganda as well.
At this point both of us are now working on the following actors in this play
1. Peaceful determined angry red shirt protesters
2. red/black shirt security (whose numbers grew hugely after 10th)
3. Seh Deang and his Ronin warriors approx 10 of them
4. Abhisits government including military
5. A private army of about 20 personnel who work for an influential figure in Bangkok. The Ninjas/Cambodians?
Considering the circumstances, it is no surprise that the government and army are the prime suspects of being behind the assassination of Seh Daeng.
But the military and the Govt deny they did.
At first we both said yeeaah rrrigghtt we could not think of a single reason why they would deny it, plenty for claiming it even if they didn’t, but in light of these 2 articles maybe they didn’t do it, the head shot seems to be the Ninjas modus operandi. Maybe the Ninjas boss decided he had got what he wanted and did not need Seh Deang who must have known who he was
Seh Daeng coordinated these groups (no witness and no potential rival??).
On the one hand the
influential figure in Bangkok could say I saved the red shirts whilst his men were shooting at the Army.
He was also at the same time pressuring the Abhisit Govt by shooting at the red shirts raising the body count, and also sending a message to the military i.e. Don’t F*** with me now or in the future.
Both of these pieces raise very frightening questions but none more so than this one
After Seh Daeng was shot on May 13 and died four days later on May 17, the army sent Special Force soldiers to shadow leaders of the militant groups so they could not get into the protest area. That is why the army did not run into a fierce and fatal resistance from armed men as they did on April 10.
The question is “IF the Army KNEW who the leaders of these military GROUPS/THIRD HAND were and were able to shadow them”
WHY DIDN’T THEY ARREST THEM AND NAME THEM?
Th
ey arrested Seh Deangs 2nd in command
AND WHY HAVENT WE HEARD A PEEP ABOUT THEM SINCE?
But more to the point why didn’t the Army/Government use tactics to isolate them from the peaceful Karaoke singers because it appears to us these B****** were walking around outside of the protest area with impunity???. They certainly were not shadowing them inside the barricades.
This time, the armed and experienced ``men in black'' who appeared out of darkness to wreak havoc on the soldiers on April 10, did not emerge. The advancing troops were met by only the red guards and hardcore UDD members, some of whom were armed with M16s and handguns.
Questions
Why did the Ninjas not engage in the military rear (if they WERE trying to ASSIST the red shirts) it would have caused chaos amongst the soldiers and perfect strategy/tactics????
Who ordered them to not come out and play and what was his reason/motive for only playing on the 10th????????
And how many protesters stayed put and died because they believed the Ninjas would come to protect them after all Seh Deang was dead his second in command arrested who could the red shirts have expected to stop the army?????
Why is Abhisit so silent after all he was the one that announced/raised the THIRD HAND ISSUE????????
Could it be that when he raised the third hand issue he did not know who their boss was but now he knows who they were and If he did unmask them could he be shooting himself in his own foot??????
Thought
The Ninjas it seems were not there for the government, military or red shirts benefit and the name we have says it was not for the yellow shirts benefit either.
