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STEVE G wrote:Conversely the people who really rule Thailand should start making some changes now instead of thinking they can just carry on running the country for then own benefit.
If the people in the countryside had been given any consideration over the last couple of years they wouldn’t be so desperate to join the Red-shirt movement.
Changes are inevitable and it would be better to have some sort of gradual change than a revolutionary one.
I agree Toxin was a crook and as corrupt as the rest of them, but what it seems he has achieved is to raise peoples expectations and again I agree with Steve's views above (sorry). A new way needs to be found other than making sure people simply know their place.

Relatively small things can make a difference to peoples live and Toxin did that. Forget all the criticisms, but roads being sealed, Health centres built and the like meant something and after he left, those things stopped.

At the heart of everything I think this is what this is about and eventually someone is going to have to wake up to the fact that such demands won't go away and deal with it. I have read elsewhere of industrialists asking that meetings take place between the Govt. and the leaders of the redshirts - to negotiate - I wonder if that's a first?

SM, I can't see how the Govt. can create a show trial in the way you want without heaping huge amounts of ridicule on themselves and protests from elsewhere - simply because of how they rode to power. Interested to know where you get your detailed information from though?
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caller wrote:Relatively small things can make a difference to peoples live and Toxin did that. Forget all the criticisms, but roads being sealed, Health centres built and the like meant something and after he left, those things stopped.
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I would like to know how you know that these things stopped? Maybe in one area they finished/ran out of money and another area was still seeing improvements. However the political gridlock is more to blame if public works are not getting carried out than a change of leader. The stronghold of Thaksin and the red shirts is the North and North East, and from what I have seen the facilities, roads and general infrastructure is a hell of a lot better than even Hua Hin! I haven't travelled in those areas since before Thaksin, and from what I have read, very little of what was done while he was PM was actually down to him but part of a plan put in place by the King some time before. Similar to Swampy, he wanted to make sure he got the credit when the plans had been there for years. As I have already said, all Thaksin did was spin things to make himself look good. All the while making sure he would make billions from deals and sales of crucial national assets.

I agree that the Thai society needs to become less hierarchical and more inclusive, with the wealth spread more evenly, but that is not going to happen soon or quickly. Raising people's expectations is all well and good if it is possible for those expectations to be matched, which again, given the way Thai society and in particular the tax system currently operates was never going to happen, and was a dangerous and reckless thing to do, and we are now reaping what Thaksin sowed. Someone said earlier that I make him sound as bad as Gordon Brown - he is far, far worse, and inciting revolution and insurrection in a country that doesn't know what it wants; it will lead to death and bloodshed and that to me is at best irresponsible, and at worst criminal.
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Fair enough WL, I can only talk of the areas around where my wife lives, but after Toxins election as PM, the roads and infrastructure were vastly improved. A road my wife had an accident on (earlier post from me about that) was subsequently sealed, but plans to seal the last bit between that and their village never happened after he left.

As for Toxin claiming credit, I thought there were others (oblique) that claimed or were accorded with the same? As for the King being involved in planning the improvements, I thought he didn't get involved in politics?
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Wanderlust wrote:inciting revolution and insurrection in a country that doesn't know what it wants; it will lead to death and bloodshed and that to me is at best irresponsible, and at worst criminal.
Pretty similar to what PAD did - people died - and they went on to become players in the new Government.

As I said before, what goes around, comes around!
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The use of explosives and military weapons now makes this insurrection, not a sodding protest. Its now time to take off the velvet glove, and give them a good taste of the iron fist. Smash them hard, smash them now....and hopefully they will stay cowed.
That is definitely not the way to go; if people start to die, large numbers of people are planning to move from the NE to Bangkok in support.
A heavy-handed crackdown now would run the risk of starting a large scale uprising which is not what is happening yet.
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Get the water cannons out; this has three advantages - firstly it will clear the protesters double quick, secondly, it is in the spirit of the Thai New Year and thirdly, any casualties can be added to the Songkran figures... :idea: :shock:
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I don't know how many of you guys have viewed this, but it's pretty scary (top left video) -

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... s_Of_Shots

And this -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p ... 996288.stm
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"On 2 March 1935, King Rama VII abdicated leaving many to ponder on his profound observation that Thailand in 1932 was not ready for democracy."

Looks like Thailand not ready in 2009 either :thumb:
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Good evening HHAD Ladies & Gentleguys!

I bear Bad News from the Hotel & Tourism sector. According to Online version The german News Mag. Der Spiegel, about 80% of The Tourists had already checked out of All the Major Hotels along Bangkoks Shopping Districts. And worse the one Manager of a leading Guesthouse on khaosan Rd. Said that "50% of Backpackerrs had allready checked out from the Guesthouses alone." And leading tour operrator fear the worse! After the holidays the wave of Checkouts & Cancellations from all the Hotels and flights with Tourists Comming to LOS!!!

Sandman is right Backpackers are the last ones to go if they go. It's a bad very bad sign.

This High Season Thailand can kiss Goodbye for sure.

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The understudy wrote: Sandman is right Backpackers are the last ones to go if they go. It's a bad very bad sign.
I disagree, I think regulars are the last to go!
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BaaBaa. wrote:
The understudy wrote: Sandman is right Backpackers are the last ones to go if they go. It's a bad very bad sign.
I disagree, I think regulars are the last to go!
I agree, the airport sit in was diffrent, i would still travel tomorrow its internal affairs nothing to do with tourists, every taxi will want to avoid the unrest have the radio's on etc.

I do think its sad with this situation, but even more sad for your average tourist that will not come to LOS, they will miss a great country and colture and the infrestructure and tourism will suffer big time.

If i was there now, it would be taxi to a train station in or out side Bangkok and Surin or Hua Hin please.

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If the average UK tourist turns up in Bangkok at the mo, they will be risking their insurance, judging by the latest advice from the FCO.

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I wouldn't worry too much about the backpackers money.

They spend a fortune getting to Thailand and spend a month planning how to get to Khao San without spending £3 on a Taxi. :roll:
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I had trouble changing a few £50 notes a couple of years back, The exchange on Khaosan road took em. Maybe they are more used to knackered notes (one with a bit of writing on them or a split down the middle) than fussy people inside banks.
I emailed my Taxi driver to keep me up to date with whats going on, Hopefully in 2 weeks its settled down, Pai Hua Hin Lou Lou
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There seem to have been some very conflicting media reports flying around during Monday! Sandmans report for example, that the military were said not to be armed.
It does seem that Abhisit erred on the side of caution, and ordered force to be used only if necessary. (He, and Toxin, have both given interviews in English to Western media during Monday.)
But any earlier reports that the military weren't armed simply weren't true. It was clear as early as 7 or 8 am Thai time Monday that there were some very heavy duty weapons around. Mostly fired into the air, as I believe they were ordered to do? But later in the day many forces were seen clearly aiming into crowds, having apparently decided enough was enough.
By the time Jonothan Head took over reporting it was dark, and maybe quieter, but the Beebs guy reporting earlier in the day was in a decidedly dodgy place and donned a hard hat. Since then obviously the Reds have warned journalists to stay out of the way.
BTW for anyone who hasn't seen Toxins' statement in English, he has vowed to be back when the time is right.
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