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STEVE G wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:35 pm The whole world could have been pretty much powered by renewable energy by now if it hadn't been for the vested interests of the fossil fuel companies.
If the boomer generation wasn't prepared to change, it's time for them to get out of the way before it's too late.
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KhunLA wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:19 pmIf the boomer generation wasn't prepared to change, it's time for them to get out of the way before it's too late.


Oh, it's my fault now, is it. I can't ever recall being asked my opinion.
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Apologies, my brain is addled.
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STEVE G wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:35 pm If the boomer generation wasn't prepared to change, it's time for them to get out of the way before it's too late.
Are you talking computers (which obviously you have one of at least to access this Forum), mobile phone and Smart TV (I guess you have both)? All containing "precious metals" - the mining of which are hardly great for the environment.

"Renewable Energy" - what's used in the production of solar panels, what damage to the environment do "Wind Farms" cause?

Sorry, off topic..... And not arguing Steve - just discussing :wink:
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I think we have to accept that no alternative to an internal combustion fired car is going to miraculously avoid all forms of pollution - to provide the electricity to power a cars battery requires the electricity to be produced - although more and more of this is being produced in a “green way”, it still has a long way to go before it even reaches 50% globally. Then there’s the rare metals used to produce the batteries - there is considerable debate as to the true environmental impact of producing current, mainly lithium-ion batteries.

There has also been much talk about using hydrogen in fuel-cell vehicles and other power producing plants - these might yield only water as a byproduct, but producing hydrogen in the first place is currently very difficult - apparently only 5% of hydrogen production comes from “green” sources - this article provides many pros and cons of using hydrogen.
https://www.twi-global.com/technical-kn ... fuel-cells

I for one accept that change is needed, but there’s no “magic wand” that’s going to make the world much more environmentally friendly than it is today, however any step in the right direction is a good one.

In fact as an example, yesterday I went to our local water bottling plant where you take your large 20 litre bottles, they clean them and fill them up for you while you wait. Being the good person that I am, I turned off my engine as I waited. Along came a “local” in his pickup and reversed next to my car and came out to get just 2 bottles refilled, but kept his diesel powered car engine running. The fumes from his car were not very pleasant, but had he an electric car, even had he left it running, there would have been zero pollution from the rear of his vehicle!!
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pharvey wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:31 am
STEVE G wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:35 pm If the boomer generation wasn't prepared to change, it's time for them to get out of the way before it's too late.
Are you talking computers (which obviously you have one of at least to access this Forum), mobile phone and Smart TV (I guess you have both)?......
I wasn't talking about any of those things, energy sources are at least relevant to the topic of the thread.
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STEVE G wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:12 am I wasn't talking about any of those things, energy sources are at least relevant to the topic of the thread.
So - what energy sources are the "Boomer Generation" using that are relevant to the topic of this thread? Sorry, I'm lost.

[EDIT] I mentioned Solar and Wind farms - are they not included in the production of electricity?
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pharvey wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:22 am
STEVE G wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:12 am I mentioned Solar and Wind farms - are they not included in the production of electricity?
Yes and much more benificicialy than the west giving a trillion odd dollars to the middle east for fossil fuels every year.
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They may interest those who have a true interest in EVs, mainly BEVs.
https://zecar.com/resources/how-long-do ... eries-last

My take on that excellent article and explanation about EVs & battery, composition, maintenance & life expectancy (degradation). How it applies directly to our BEV.

Using the one chart, expected life / cycles before 80% capacity level, and 2500 cycle (LFP), times our average of 350 kms per cycle, and the MG ZS is good for a ball park of 875k kms 🤣 And ... will still be going strong afterward. Yea, that's the last car I will definitely ever own, along with the wife. As long as the rest of the car last as long as the battery & motor.

875k ÷ 20k kms a year 🤣
Wife will be heading toward 90 yrs old, and car still going strong.
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I have a feeling that your wife will outlive the ZS!!
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875k km is an interesting number for people who say EV's are too expensive because if I drove my present diesel pickup that far it would cost over 3 million baht in fuel at todays prices.
You can get a Chinese EV and a solar charger in Thailand for less than 1.2 million baht.
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STEVE G wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:30 pm 875k km is an interesting number for people who say EV's are too expensive because if I drove my present diesel pickup that far it would cost over 3 million baht in fuel at todays prices.
You can get a Chinese EV and a solar charger in Thailand for less than 1.2 million baht.
And no disrespect to anybody with a Chinese EV, but I’d be very surprised to see one completing 875k km - Toyota ok!!
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Dannie Boy wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:27 pm And no disrespect to anybody with a Chinese EV, but I’d be very surprised to see one completing 875k km - Toyota ok!!
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And just for the "environmentalists" amongst us :wink: https://www.goodwood.com/grr/road/news/ ... XJ,XJ04J,1

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I was in Munich airport last night and they had the new electric BMW i7 on display and it looked pretty spectacular in stealth black.
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