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Hi chaps,
This is my situation, my employer, (the second biggest container port in the U.K) are having a very tough time in this recession and now we are facing massive job losses.
After the thirty day consultation period we are loosing 60 jobs plus another 60 from our contract company that work along side us, this is only phase one, so no employee is safe and more job losses expected through out the year.

I have approched our HR department and have told them that i would consider a career move to Thailand, we have a container port at Laem Chabang, so can they find or creat a position for me, but it would have to be a managers job or training instructing or something specalized as you can not do normal Thai jobs.

So my qestion is the work permit, i know i would need a visa class B but i cant find any rules or definitions of what would be permited as a skill that i can offer, i do know it's not imposible, there's this Scottish fella that drinks in my wifes pub some times, and he can speak reasonable Thai, so i asked him how come you speak Thai, and he told me that he spent two years teaching Thai's how to erect scaffolding in an oil refinery in Sriricha province.

If any one can give me advice on this or what the company would have to do, i.e sponsor ship or job offer it would be most appreciated, all i have found is agents that want to make your wallet lighter.

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Hi Kendo,

Hmm, interesting. If it can be sorted out by your company then it would be a great move for you, as long as the position is permanent or say for 3 years and then back to Blighty to continue working etc. It is true that there are many things/positions that we as westerners or forbidden to do/occupy for the reasons you have explained.

The only thing that comes to my mind is that it might, along with other things, depend upon how the company describes your position. What I mean is that if they described you as a "manager" then it might not fly, so to speak, but if your job was described as "Consultant" or "Company liaison officer" or something equally vague then it might fly.

Ambiguity in a job title seems to get a certain positive response here, what I mean by that is, even myself in the education field have been described as some strange things but never a "Teacher". I have been described in my work permit, at different colleges/schools/universities, as "Instructor", "Alien Instructor", "Consultant", "Educational Resourse Proffessional" amongst other titles but never just "Teacher".

This situation reminds me of the car manufacturing companies or household goods companies where I am, such as Mitsubishi/Panasonic etc, totally Thai workforce apart from a handfull of Japanese guys that are there for "quality control" or more likely "efficiency control".

Another one is Seagate, completely Thai workforce apart from a westerner that just knocks around giving advice and making the place look good, don't think he does a lot of decision making, more like trouble shooting and preserving standards.

As you said, it can be done, it will probably just need to be looked into properly a bit by you and the company. If you're really up for it and the company you work for are cool about it aswell then try to help/direct them to create a position for you, you might have to do some work/research yourself. You could get the reqiurements easily enough from the net/embassy in London that the Thai government want to before you can initiate something like this, might be a good place to start.

Getting a work permit in that situation would be reletively easy, large companies don't usually get too many dramas with it, it's just navigating the "officialdom", "red tape", "bureaucratic bollocks" and your company probably has no experience about how to do it. They will probably need your or someone else's input/help.

Have a real good think about what you could do over here at such a workplace, it would be a great experience to work here like that, much would be learnt and you salary would go much further.

My insight into this situation is very limited and you would really need someone who has been posted by a large company at some point or another to comment, but they may be thin on the ground.

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I can't profess to have much knowledge of WPs, but Spitfire's given some good advice for starters. The position your company create for you will be vital if you're to be successful in being able to work here. Have a look at these links:
http://www.expathuahin.com/working-huahin.php
http://www.expathuahin.com/jobs-huahin.php
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lomuamart wrote:The position your company create for you will be vital if you're to be successful in being able to work here.
Kendo, that's spot on. :thumb:
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kendo wrote:So my qestion is the work permit, i know i would need a visa class B...........
Forgot to mention before but that is no longer true, I think. A work permit can be issued so long as you have a non immigrant visa of some description. I got my WP with a Non-O.

A Non-O is easier to get than a Non-B, less hassel and paperwork.

This link could be of help, written by a former senior US diplomat from Southeast Asia that lived here in Thailand aswell.

http://www.business-in-asia.com/th_workpermit.html

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Another job title often used by Consulting Companies in Bangkok is 'Expert'

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Thanks for your replys so it seems how you phrase you job title, i would still like to here from anyone that has first hand experiance,

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Hi Kendo,

Just had another thought today which you could also consider as a line of approach. When you next talk to the Human Resoures Dept, you could "suggest" that the whole exercise could be a sort of "exchange" program, ie send an experienced member of staff(management level) from where you are(UK) to the place in Thailand to get "International" experience, see how it's done elsewhere, as a way of progressing "upwards" at the company.

The Thai side could "send" one of their Thai staff over to the UK for experience training/working experience in reply. Then you've got the Thai connection and it would seem a whole lot more possible.

This gives it some sort of "legitimacy" in the company's eyes. It would also help eliminate a whole load of problems. Plus, the Thai side of things would definately go for it and even help out on any "hurdles" that could be encountered.

Many companies/services/schools/universities etc do this or something similar.

Not saying it's guaranteed to work but it's worth considering or even suggesting, they might go for it and if they did then it would be you that benefits and the situation might be a lot easier. :wink:

Just an honest thought I had today about it. :cheers:
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Hi Spitfire,
Thats food for thought are company do have a programme for training managers out in Dubai from all over the world our company has 48 ports and 13 under construction.

I have fund out that one of the Thai bosses sons was at our place two years ago for three months on a training secondment.

I have been sent a letter from our HR dept with the contact details i need to make the first contact at Laem Chabang.

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Kendo,

As a final point on this one, I'll mention that you should be very careful here. If the company has just given you contact details of the Thai port and told you go sort it yourself, then that may mean that they are unwilling to get properly involved and may be insinuating that it up to you to sort it out and that you could be doing this in an "independant" fashion. You could be just applying for a new job in their eyes, be cautious.

Do not do anything rash or anything that could jeopardise your current position, we all know the current situation everywhere.

If the company are unwilling to support you in this possible change and get involved in the details and make it official/sort it out properly, then I would steer clear off it, for now at least.

If you feel good about it then fair play, but be cautious. Most of what I have said earlier is relevent only if you are being supported 100% by the company.

You need to be sure. :cheers:
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Hi Spitfire,
Thanks for your concern HR told me that i will have to make the first contact, i would only make the move if there was good terms and conditions and a relocation package was good enough, at the end of the day it's just an enquiry.

I have done 15 years service in June and to make me redundent will cost a lot more than people with less service, but it would be great if i could work in Thailand and save someone else here getting the chop.
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