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MG announces extended lifetime warranty for four models

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/mo ... our-models

SAIC Motor-CP and MG Sales (Thailand), manufacturer and distributor of MG cars in Thailand, has announced an extended lifetime warranty for four MG models as part of the brand's 100th anniversary. The four models are the new MG4 Electric, MG Maxus 9, MG Maxus 7 and the new MG Cyberster.

The highlight of the warranty is its unlimited mileage coverage and also the lifetime warranty is not limited to the car's first owner. It is applicable to both new and current MG customers........
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This new coupe version of the MG Cyberster sports car looks interesting:

The MG Cyber GTS Concept Could Be Headed for Production
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6158 ... -revealed/
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The above article doesn't define "Lifetime"?
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PeteC wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:20 pm The above article doesn't define "Lifetime"?
I've had a read and it's not defined yet in any press release but it's something I'll be keeping an eye on.
If it's what it says, a lifetime guarantee on the battery, motor and controller, I might be paying MG a visit. I fancied a BYD Atto 3 but with a deal like that, I think I'd go for the MG4.
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PeteC wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:20 pm The above article doesn't define "Lifetime"?
As far as I'm aware, "lifetime" in this context would mean the lifetime of the vehicle.

Which is about in line with what various manufacturers of EV's are saying - they expect (and experience is increasingly showing) that the batteries will last the entire lifetime of the vehicle - or longer.

As the article below states:
According to current industry expectations, EV batteries are projected to last between 100,000 and 200,000 miles, or about 15 to 20 years.

This is quite a bit more than the average life expectancy of a car, which is only 12 years. In other words, EV batteries are predicted to outlast the vehicle they’re in.
https://blog.evbox.com/uk-en/ev-battery-longevity
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Here's what a Nissan Executive Nic Thomas said back in 2022 (and battery technology has continued to improve since then).
"It’s clear that most EV batteries will outlast the vehicles they were installed in, and even then, they have a worthwhile second life before they need to be stripped down for recycling.

“At the end of the vehicle’s life—15 or 20 years down the road—you take the battery out of the car, and it’s still healthy, with perhaps 60 or 70% of usable charge,” said Thomas.
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GroveHillWanderer wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:51 pm
According to current industry expectations, EV batteries are projected to last between 100,000 and 200,000 miles, or about 15 to 20 years.

This is quite a bit more than the average life expectancy of a car, which is only 12 years. In other words, EV batteries are predicted to outlast the vehicle they’re in.
https://blog.evbox.com/uk-en/ev-battery-longevity
I am honestly still lost on these figures truly come from, but all stats can be made to suit most arguments. When I was first working as a Service and Commissioning Engineer, the mileage I did was comfortably over 25K miles/year continually whilst working in the UK/Europe. OK, I know it's not the norm but there are certainly many (especially in the US/Aus/Europe) who still do silly mileage. My "Company Car" at the time did some 280K in 8 years - a 1.8 Ford Sierra Estate (which I bloody hated), but still ran as a run-around for quite a few years when it was passed on to a long serving guy at the Office! :thumb:

My current car has done a lot less mileage than normal over the past few years, but is now 11 years old. It's taken care of and will last me for many years (and many more miles) to come - with "UK/European Costs" and constant changes with regards to Tariffs and Political Stance, I now can't be arsed even considering a change (despite looking at a Hybrid previously)!

A small EV run-around in Thailand for the shops/pubs/restaurants must be perfect with the "Solar Option" of charging, the low Tariffs/Costs on Chinese EVs and the (in general) lack of requirement for "Range" - not to mention the fact that in many (if not most) cases those there have the ability to charge their cars from their properties.

I still just wonder about the damage that the batteries and EVs as a whole cause the environment. To me personally, I've seen first hand the destructive mining and discussed with others who are in the field of reclamation (of dead/damaged batteries) - none of the comments are good.

Far more from my car can be reclaimed (including the single battery) than either of my two neighbours' EVS. Plastic is actually the main issue on my car (but considerably more-so on my neighbours') - what are the true considerations on EVs?
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^ Although it makes no sense, I have to admit that I'm slightly tempted to buy the 400hp, 4wd drive version of the MG4, the X-Power that works out at less than 30,000 Euros in Thailand!
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STEVE G wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 8:11 pm ^ Although it makes no sense, I have to admit that I'm slightly tempted to buy the 400hp, 4wd drive version of the MG4, the X-Power that works out at less than 30,000 Euros in Thailand!
Why? And where could you possibly use it in Thailand I wish you the best (honestly) - 400+ HP and a very decent looking car for that price, but what roads/drivers/police/etc. will stop you killing yourself at that performance? I remember very well the roads in Thailand and the stupidity of wanting flash cars and low-profile tyres (not directed at you Steve).

Impossible to drive on the Rain Drenched/Pot-Holed/Ill-Maintained/Wrong Camber Roads... And yet, silly performance, heavier cars/lower profile (harder) tyres is going to be the norm? The Death Rate on Thailand's roads can only go one way.

I've been trying to find the MG4 X-Power in the UK, but it doesn't seem to be available - not that I consider purchasing it, but I'm always up for a Test Drive.. :D :thumb:
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STEVE G wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 8:11 pm ^ Although it makes no sense, I have to admit that I'm slightly tempted to buy the 400hp, 4wd drive version of the MG4, the X-Power that works out at less than 30,000 Euros in Thailand!
Why? And where could you possibly use it in Thailand I wish you the best (honestly) - 400+ HP and a very decent looking car for that price, but what roads/drivers/police/etc. will stop you killing yourself at that performance? I remember very well the roads in Thailand and the stupidity of wanting flash cars and low-profile tyres (not directed at you Steve).

Impossible to drive on the Rain Drenched/Pot-Holed/Ill-Maintained/Wrong Camber Roads... And yet, silly performance, heavier cars/lower profile (harder) tyres is going to be the norm? The Death Rate on Thailand's roads can only go one way.

I've been trying to find the MG4 X-Power in the UK, but it doesn't seem to be available - not that I consider purchasing it, but I'm always up for a Test Drive.. :D :thumb:
You’ve obviously not t been looking in the right area - this is the same spec car that Steve’s talking about.

As for using the performance, it’s the same in Thailand as it is in the UK, but that doesn’t stop people buying them.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mg- ... irst-drive

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Why?
It comes in a nice shade of green!
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Dannie Boy wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:33 pm You’ve obviously not t been looking in the right area - this is the same spec car that Steve’s talking about.

As for using the performance, it’s the same in Thailand as it is in the UK, but that doesn’t stop people buying them.
Thanks for the link - it appears I have now applied for a Test Drive... :D

Using the performance is far different in Europe compared to the roads in Thailand - we both have clueless individuals, but the road conditions and driving (in general) are far better in Europe. A clear and proven point.

Looking forward to the "Test Drive" if there is one and reporting on it. At least I should have decent roads... :neener: :duck: :wink:
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Not long back from Amsterdam where I drove my first PHEV, a Ford Kuga which I was impressed by. I had been in my son in laws BMW X3 EV and was also impressed by that bit the Ford would have been much kinder on the wallet. I will not be rushing to ditch the Nissan Terra though as it still owes me too much money but should the lottery gods smile on me I would definitely be tempted by something like the Kuga or equivalent here.
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STEVE G wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:54 pm
Why?
It comes in a nice shade of green!
I can't be seen to be supporting Ireland for Christ's Sake!! :laugh: :wink:
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