I think you are being a bit harsh on Beckham. Sure his form hasn't been to the high standards we have come to expect and I think that is part of the problem.
He has still won important games for us, including in this World Cup. I think he has suffered from the Swedes tactics as much as anyone else, with usually just him and Neville policing the right flank?
Lets see what happens under the new regime, he still has a role to play if he is used correctly.
Lest just hope the new manager doesn't carry on the tactics of his mentor....
Will Christiano Ronaldo dare play in England again?
Does that include mass emigration to anywhere, as long as its away? Or, as with this claim, did someone else actually manage it first? You might be right about golf though, it befits a Scotsman's mentality to dig a tiny little hole in the ground.Jockey wrote:Big Boy wrote:Jaime,Scotland invented football, just like they invented nearly everything else.but remember England also invented football - everybody keeps telling me on this forum how bad England are at that now.
Talk is cheap
Jockey wrote:
Well, there you go.................just look at how bad Scotland are after inventing the game of football.Scotland invented football, just like they invented nearly everything else.
Championship Plymouth Argyle 1 - 0 Hull City 
Points 51; Position 21
Consolidated - Championship Next Season
Points 51; Position 21
Consolidated - Championship Next Season
We can't be great all the time. A new crop of youngsters coming through will set us straight again. Look out France and Italy in the European qualifyers. Considering the size of our respective populations, Scotland has competed excellently over the years with "oor auld enemy".Big Boy wrote:Jockey wrote:Well, there you go.................just look at how bad Scotland are after inventing the game of football.Scotland invented football, just like they invented nearly everything else.
I also can not see the correlation between inventing something and being good at it
Here's a list of all the useful (and sometimes a bit odd!) things the Scots have been responsible for creating. What a clever lot we are!
James Chalmers (1782-1853)
Invented the adhesive postage stamp
Sir Hugh Dalrymple (1700-1753)
Invented the hollow-pipe drainage system
David Douglas (1798-1834)
Botanist after whom the Douglas Fir is named
Patrick Ferguson (1744-1780)
Invented the breech loading rifle
James Gregory (1638-1675)
Invented the reflecting telescope
John McAdam (1756-1836)
Developed the process of covering roads with small broken stones (Tarmacadam)
Charles MacIntosh (1766-1843)
Added naptha to rubber to create the Macintosh raincoat
Andrew Meikle (1719-1811)
Invented the threshing machine
John Napier (1550-1617)
Developed the concept of logarithms and invented the decimal point!
Richard Noble
Holds the World land speed record
William Paterson (1658-1719)
Founded the Bank of England!
Sir James Young Simpson (1811-1870)
Pioneered the use of chloroform in anaesthetics
James Small (1730-1793)
Invented the iron plough
William Symmington (1763-1831)
Developed the first steam powered marine engine
Robert William Thomson (1822-1873)
Invented the vulcanised rubber pneumatic tyre, patented the fountain pen and patented the steam traction engine
Sir Robert Alexander Watson-Watt (1892-1973)
Developed RADAR
John Logie Baird (1888-1946)
Invented the television
Sir Alexander Flemming (1881-1955)
Discovered penicillin
Alexander Graham Bell (1847-1922)
Invented the telephone
James Young (1811-1883)
Developed the process of refining oil
Sir David Brewster (1781-1868)
Invented the kaleidoscope
Sir James Dewar (1842-1923)
Invented the vacuum flask
John Boyd Dunlop (1840-1921)
Further developed the vulcanised rubber pneumatic tyre (Dunlop Tyres)
Thomas Telford (1757-1835)
The "Colossus of Roads!" Built many of the first roads
Rev. Patrick Bell (1800-1869)
Invented the reaping machine, which led to the combine harvester
Joseph Black (1728-1799)
Developed the concept of latent heat and discovered Carbon Dioxide
James Braid (1795-1860)
Pioneered hypnosis
Sir Dugald Clerk (1854-1932)
Invented the two-stroke Clerk Cycle Gas Engine
Sir William Fairburn (1789-1874)
Developed the use of tubular steel in construction
Rev. Alexander Forsyth (1769-1848)
Invented the percussion cap which later became the bullet
William Murdock (1754-1839)
Invented coal-gas lighting
James Pillans (1778-1864)
Invented the blackboard and colored chalk
John Shepherd-Barron (1925- )
Inventor of the ATM
Sir Sandford Flemming (1827-1915)
Created the World time zones
Alexander Wood (1817-1884)
Invented the hypodermic needle
John J R MacLeod (1876-1935)
Helped to discover insulin
Henry Faulds (1843-1930)
Created the process of criminal fingerprinting
Ian Donald (1910-1987)
Invented the ultrasound scanner
John Anderson (1882-1958)
Father of the Anderson Air Raid Shelter
Sir Charles Thomson Rees Wilson (1869-1959)
Created the Wilson Cloud Chamber and carried out extensive studies on particle physics
Jockey Boasted:
In all Scotland vs England games (since 8 Mar 1873) the Scottish record is reasonable ie:
Played 110, Won 41, Drawn 24, Lost 45
Over the last 50 Years
Played 56, Won 14, Drawn 8, Lost 34
In the last 20 Years
Played 7, Won 1, Drawn 1, Lost 5
He also wrote:
Finally, he boasted:
I apologise for simply cutting a pasting the next bit from a previous posting, but its easier than re-stating the facts:Scotland has competed excellently over the years with "oor auld enemy".
In all Scotland vs England games (since 8 Mar 1873) the Scottish record is reasonable ie:
Played 110, Won 41, Drawn 24, Lost 45
Over the last 50 Years
Played 56, Won 14, Drawn 8, Lost 34
In the last 20 Years
Played 7, Won 1, Drawn 1, Lost 5
He also wrote:
You obviously know the reasons why, so why do the Scottish repeatedly try to be as good as England? Sheer stuborness?Considering the size of our respective populations
Finally, he boasted:
Its a fact that most inventions are accidents. Despite what caller said, a couple of them have been useful - pity you couldn't invent an English World Cup comentary on those Thai TVs.Here's a list of all the useful (and sometimes a bit odd!) things the Scots have been responsible for creating. What a clever lot we are!
Championship Plymouth Argyle 1 - 0 Hull City
Points 51; Position 21
Consolidated - Championship Next Season
Points 51; Position 21
Consolidated - Championship Next Season
Big Boy... I apologise for simply cutting and pasting etc etc.
England has a population of 50,000,000 and has a Fifa ranking of 10.
Scotland has a population of 5,000,000, which is 10% of the English population.
We currently have a Fifa ranking of 62.
All things being equal, if Scotland was as good as England, our Fifa ranking should be 100.
Therefore, at position 62, we are proportionally, more than 33% better at football than England.
I think we Scots can rest our case.
Goodnight.
England has a population of 50,000,000 and has a Fifa ranking of 10.
Scotland has a population of 5,000,000, which is 10% of the English population.
We currently have a Fifa ranking of 62.
All things being equal, if Scotland was as good as England, our Fifa ranking should be 100.
Therefore, at position 62, we are proportionally, more than 33% better at football than England.
I think we Scots can rest our case.
Goodnight.
Harry wrote:
If its size that counts, maybe there's a Scotsman out there who can explain the following extract taken from the Scottish FA's website:
Anyway, lets forget about inferior teams, I've just come across this picture of the Portugese training ground, which I though might interest some:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/neal.oliver01/Portugal.jpg
I've just posted it, so it may take up to an hour to work.
Thanks Harry, you just beat me to it.But FIFA rankings aren't based on population size, if they were then the Chinese would be number 1 surley?
If its size that counts, maybe there's a Scotsman out there who can explain the following extract taken from the Scottish FA's website:
What is the population of the Faroe Islands?Faroe Islands EC2004Q Toftir D 2-2 Lambert, Ferguson
Anyway, lets forget about inferior teams, I've just come across this picture of the Portugese training ground, which I though might interest some:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/neal.oliver01/Portugal.jpg
I've just posted it, so it may take up to an hour to work.
Championship Plymouth Argyle 1 - 0 Hull City
Points 51; Position 21
Consolidated - Championship Next Season
Points 51; Position 21
Consolidated - Championship Next Season
Jockey wrote:Scotland invented football, just like they invented nearly everything else.
While kicking around the chopped-off head of a Danish Prince after battle, the English invented football. The English later subsequently exported their game to the world. Naively, the English let local cultures and languages develop their own name(s) for the game (Soccer), allowing for the rise of a very confusing international situation indeed.
From the Scotsman...
In 1633, more than 200 years before the Football Association was formed in England, David Wedderburn, a poet and teacher at Aberdeen Grammar School, described a match in his pocket-sized tome Vocabula.
While there are older descriptions of ball games involving kicking, historians say the Scottish manuscript, written in Latin, is the first to report on players passing the ball forward and attempting to score past a goalkeeper. A section of the book marks the kick-off: "Let's pick sides. Those who are on the outside, come over here. Kick off, so that we can begin the match ... Pass it here."
A 1711 edition of the manuscript was stored for years at the National Library of Scotland. But it was only recently translated for a World Cup exhibition at the Museum fur Volkerkunde in Hamburg, Germany. Historians say the translation has been a revelation.
Professor Wulf Koepke, of the Museum fur Volkerkunde, said: "The influence of this book is quite tremendous - it rewrites part of football history. Passing wasn't supposed to have happened until the late 1860s and yet this Aberdeen book is talking about it centuries before."
Richard McBrearty, curator of the Scottish Football Museum, added: "The book is the first evidence we have come across of a game with goalkeepers and players passing the ball to score.
"The original football game that we know about through paintings and descriptions were like folk games - a bit of a free-for-all. But this Aberdeen game is different - the play is structured and it's a passing game with goalkeepers. The other interesting thing is that the FA was not formed until 1863. In the first FA rule book, there is no mention of goalkeepers and the game is based more on a rugby-type structure, where players could not pass the ball forward.
What is believed to be the oldest surviving football is also on display at the World Cup exhibition. The 500-year-old leather ball, found in the roof beams of the Queen's chamber in Stirling Castle in the 1970s, is believed to have belonged to Mary of Guise, the mother of Mary Queen of Scots.
The two artefacts are accompanied by documents showing how Scottish empire builders helped to spread the game worldwide. Football was introduced in Brazil, for example, by Charles Miller in 1894, who was born in the country to a Scottish father. He helped to found the Paulista League in 1901.
Mr McBrearty said: "Scotland has a fantastic claim to have developed the modern game. The book is, frankly, an amazing discovery and hard to dispute."
Alan Duncan, president of the North-east chapter of the Tartan Army, said Aberdeen has a long tradition of football pioneers: "It is no surprise that this chap was a schoolmaster in Aberdeen. Football goes back a long way in the North-east - Aberdeen Football Club is over 100 years old now.
He added: "The English are quick to claim they invented football. I think this book proves they didn't. Alas it is small consolation, considering we aren't in Germany to compete for the World Cup."
The oldest antecedent of football has been claimed by several countries and cultures. The Chinese point to a game called cuju (kickball), created 4,700 years ago in which teams of soldiers would try to kick a leather ball through a hole in a gate.
And two 6,000-year-old stone balls unearthed in the United States are similar to ones used today by Native Americans in two football-like games.
The first inter-continental match involving kicking apparently took place in Greenland in 1586 between an English explorer, John Davis, and his crew and the inhabitants of Godthab.
In 1633, more than 200 years before the Football Association was formed in England, David Wedderburn, a poet and teacher at Aberdeen Grammar School, described a match in his pocket-sized tome Vocabula.
While there are older descriptions of ball games involving kicking, historians say the Scottish manuscript, written in Latin, is the first to report on players passing the ball forward and attempting to score past a goalkeeper. A section of the book marks the kick-off: "Let's pick sides. Those who are on the outside, come over here. Kick off, so that we can begin the match ... Pass it here."
A 1711 edition of the manuscript was stored for years at the National Library of Scotland. But it was only recently translated for a World Cup exhibition at the Museum fur Volkerkunde in Hamburg, Germany. Historians say the translation has been a revelation.
Professor Wulf Koepke, of the Museum fur Volkerkunde, said: "The influence of this book is quite tremendous - it rewrites part of football history. Passing wasn't supposed to have happened until the late 1860s and yet this Aberdeen book is talking about it centuries before."
Richard McBrearty, curator of the Scottish Football Museum, added: "The book is the first evidence we have come across of a game with goalkeepers and players passing the ball to score.
"The original football game that we know about through paintings and descriptions were like folk games - a bit of a free-for-all. But this Aberdeen game is different - the play is structured and it's a passing game with goalkeepers. The other interesting thing is that the FA was not formed until 1863. In the first FA rule book, there is no mention of goalkeepers and the game is based more on a rugby-type structure, where players could not pass the ball forward.
What is believed to be the oldest surviving football is also on display at the World Cup exhibition. The 500-year-old leather ball, found in the roof beams of the Queen's chamber in Stirling Castle in the 1970s, is believed to have belonged to Mary of Guise, the mother of Mary Queen of Scots.
The two artefacts are accompanied by documents showing how Scottish empire builders helped to spread the game worldwide. Football was introduced in Brazil, for example, by Charles Miller in 1894, who was born in the country to a Scottish father. He helped to found the Paulista League in 1901.
Mr McBrearty said: "Scotland has a fantastic claim to have developed the modern game. The book is, frankly, an amazing discovery and hard to dispute."
Alan Duncan, president of the North-east chapter of the Tartan Army, said Aberdeen has a long tradition of football pioneers: "It is no surprise that this chap was a schoolmaster in Aberdeen. Football goes back a long way in the North-east - Aberdeen Football Club is over 100 years old now.
He added: "The English are quick to claim they invented football. I think this book proves they didn't. Alas it is small consolation, considering we aren't in Germany to compete for the World Cup."
The oldest antecedent of football has been claimed by several countries and cultures. The Chinese point to a game called cuju (kickball), created 4,700 years ago in which teams of soldiers would try to kick a leather ball through a hole in a gate.
And two 6,000-year-old stone balls unearthed in the United States are similar to ones used today by Native Americans in two football-like games.
The first inter-continental match involving kicking apparently took place in Greenland in 1586 between an English explorer, John Davis, and his crew and the inhabitants of Godthab.
