Did Covid Happen?

[HuaHin61]

about "Maybe it would have been worse without the vaccine. No way to know."

A man stands in a pedestrian zone and claps his hands every 10 seconds.
When a passer-by asks him what he is doing, he replies: "I drive away the wild pink elephants".
Astonished, the passer-by replies: "But there aren't any elephants here."
The clapping man smiles happily and states: "You see, the clapping works".

In einer Fußgängerzone steht ein Mann und klatscht alle 10 Sekunden in die Hände.
Als ein Passant ihn fragt, was er denn tue, antwortet er: „Ich vertreibe die wilden Elefanten“.
Erstaunt entgegnet der Passant: „Aber hier sind doch gar keine Elefanten.“
Worauf der klatschende Mann zufrieden lächelt und feststellt: „Sehen Sie, das Klatschen wirkt“.

whether the assertion that "without vaccination" everything would be worse is true at all,
does not seem to have been proven to me

[Lost]

On the subject of vaccines, Denmark has recently banned all covid vaccines for under 18's due to the 'undue risk' and minimal chance of children getting sick from covid.

“Therefore, it will no longer be possible for children and young people under the age of 18 to get the 1st jab, and from 1 September 2022 it will no longer be possible to get the 2nd jab,” said the Danish government in a June statement.

The Danish government said it will target those 40 years and over for the vaccines. Meanwhile in other countries (mainly the raging, 'I'll wear a mask in my garden' liberals) people are pushing for children under 6 months to have it.

I've said this before once we knew more about the risks of covid. Adults? Sure get vaccinated. I've had two doses, that'll be it for me now till I'm a lot older. Kids? Leave them the hell alone, we know their own body will fight covid pretty easily.

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/d ... cb391.html

[HuaHin61]

On the subject of vaccines, Denmark has recently banned all covid vaccines for under 18's due to the 'undue risk' and minimal chance of children getting sick from covid.
“Therefore, it will no longer be possible for children and young people under the age of 18 to get the 1st jab, and from 1 September 2022 it will no longer be possible to get the 2nd jab,” said the Danish government in a June statement.


Kids?
Leave them the hell alone, we know their own body will fight covid pretty easily.

[lindosfan1]

Moderators please close this thread, we have 2 complete pratS agreeing with each other. Healthy people catch this covid, IT KILLS SOME, SOME HAVE IT AS A LONG TERM DISEASE AND THESE THICKHEADS CANNOT BELIEVE IT.

[HuaHin61]

you may ignore this thread. feel free to do . . .

There is already enough censorship and cancel-culture on the net,
I really hope, that this forum does not need to censorship.

[Lost]

Moderators please close this thread, we have 2 complete pratS agreeing with each other. Healthy people catch this covid, IT KILLS SOME, SOME HAVE IT AS A LONG TERM DISEASE AND THESE THICKHEADS CANNOT BELIEVE IT.

Wait, what the fk? Are you referring to me as one of the prats? One of the 'thickheads'? I literally just posted about the Danish government's stance on vaccinating kids. I also said that, yes, adults should get vaccinated. I'm very aware people do get sick from covid. We have forum members that are suffering with long covid. My post and subsequent comments was about children.

Moderators, I don't appreciate the uncalled for name calling one bit. Or the shouting. Can you suspend lindosfan1.

[PeteC]

Foo
"This is the free for all area, live and unleashed, say what you like!"

That's the name and the purpose of this particular forum section. If this topic had been in our official Covid threads it would have been deleted long ago.

Just please keep it civil and no personal attacks. The best thing to do if you don't like the content is not to reply to it. Ignore it all.

[HHTel]

The Danish government's decision is based upon the younger ages not being as vulnerable as the older generation. Also taken into account is the level of vaccination in Denmark which is in excess of 80% fully vaccinated. That alone reduces the risk of widespread infection.

NOWHERE DOES IT USE SIDE-EFFECTS OF THE VACCINE AS A REASON.

[Lost]

Another from Denmark this year which I found interesting. A newspaper felt the need to apologise for its reporting on covid.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busines ... dae7160658

Weichardt wrote that for nearly two years, both the press and the public had been “almost hypnotically preoccupied” with authorities’ daily coronavirus updates, obsessing over infections, hospitalisations and deaths.

He said the press had not been “vigilant enough” in questioning authorities about whether people were hospitalised “with corona and not because of corona”.

“Because it makes a difference,” he wrote.

“A big difference. Precisely, the official hospitalisation numbers have been shown to be 27 per cent higher than the actual figure for how many there are in the hospital, simply because they have corona. We only know that now.”

This hospitalised 'with' covid not 'due to' covid malarkey was a massive failure in reporting and it was happening everywhere. All those covid hospitalisation numbers we were all looking at for years were, in short, useless.

[handdrummer]

Getting vaccinated returned to me my social life and it got me back with my family in Thailand last year so good luck with trying to promote the value of not getting vaccinated!

Our youngest daughter has been vaccinated 3 times and last week a co-worker called her at home to tell my daughter that the co-worker had covid and she should get tested. She got tested and had covid and has spent the last week isolated in a friend's condo. Her sister brought her some Thai herbs from her acupuncturist and the symptoms were reduced in 3 days. After 5 days she tested negative.
Her fully vaccinated brother-in-law, with whom she shares a house, along with her sister, also has covid. So far our eldest daughter hasn't caught it.
They all live in Bangkok so we don't have frequent contact with them.
Maybe it would have been worse without the vaccine. No way to know. At any rate, they're all healthy and were able to deal with it the vaccines and illness.
Both daughters spent two days in bed after the first vaccine and their periods were disrupted for a few months.

handdrummer confirms exactly what I had already written here:
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=39851&start=3015#p564740

my experience:
in the company where I work, about 80% are vaccinated, the brave rest have not yet been vaccinated,
and now it shows:
The vaccinated had 2-5 days of absence immediately after the vaccination due to side effects of the vaccination, and were usually at least 2x, sometimes 3x, already allegedly ill with Covid19.
the unvaccinated, on the other hand, have either not noticed anything (without symptoms) or have not yet become ill.
Conclusion: Vaccinated people get sick repeatedly, so vaccination can neither be helpful nor healthy.

To be clear, I'm neither a vaccine denier nor a vaccine skeptic. I have no personal experience to have an opinion. For reasons of health conditions, age, family health history, and not knowing how I'd react to the vaccine, I haven't had it. The same for my wife. On the other hand, we both have excellent immune systems and never get sick. Also, we don't hang out in crowded places, go food shopping about every 2 weeks, and stay away from people.
Which is basically what I've always done.
If I lived a more public life, was younger, and had excellent health, I probably would have been vaccinated, but even that is speculation.
I wouldn't use myself as an example of what to do. Everyone has to make their own choices and I'd never tell anyone to have or not have the vaccine.

[STEVE G]

I don't know if there is any correlation but during 2020/21 when only vaccinated people could easily get into the pub, the quality of conversation improved markedly.

[dtaai-maai]

I don't know if there is any correlation but during 2020/21 when only vaccinated people could easily get into the pub, the quality of conversation improved markedly.

[PeteC]

That could be the post of the year.

[HuaHin61]

about "Maybe it would have been worse without the vaccine. No way to know."

A man stands in a pedestrian zone and claps his hands every 10 seconds.
When a passer-by asks him what he is doing, he replies: "I drive away the wild pink elephants".
Astonished, the passer-by replies: "But there aren't any elephants here."
The clapping man smiles happily and states: "You see, the clapping works".

In einer Fußgängerzone steht ein Mann und klatscht alle 10 Sekunden in die Hände.
Als ein Passant ihn fragt, was er denn tue, antwortet er: „Ich vertreibe die wilden Elefanten“.
Erstaunt entgegnet der Passant: „Aber hier sind doch gar keine Elefanten.“
Worauf der klatschende Mann zufrieden lächelt und feststellt: „Sehen Sie, das Klatschen wirkt“.

whether the assertion that "without vaccination" everything would be worse is true at all,
does not seem to have been proven to me

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if the German Minister of Health himself (Karl Lauterbach) tested positive for Covid (after allegedly 4 vaccinations)
and also takes PAXLOVID,
because he himself does not believe the statement "vaccine would reduce worse courses".
- you can't even imagine that.

https://nitter.net/Karl_Lauterbach/stat ... 73777667#m

the wild pink elephants

Wir sind derzeit in einer Sommerwelle. Diese Sommerwelle war vorausgesehen worden. Der Herbst wird schwierig werden, und die Gründe dafür sind auch schon bekannt. Wir werden ringen mit einer BA.5-Variante, die mittlerweile das Infektionsgeschehen dominiert. Wir werden damit ringen müssen, dass die BA.5-Variante wieder etwas schwerer verläuft als die BA.1-Variante. Wir wissen, dass eine vorherige Infektion mit der BA.1- oder der BA.2-Variante wenig Schutz bietet für die Infektion mit der BA.5-Variante.
=> Wir wissen darüber hinaus, dass die Impfstoffe nicht wirklich gut schützen gegen die Infektion. Das ist die Lage, mit der wir ringen müssen.

We are currently in a summer wave. This summer wave was foreseen. Autumn will be difficult, and the reasons for this are already known. We will wrestle with a BA.5 variant, which now dominates the infection process. We will have to contend with the fact that the BA.5 variant is again somewhat more difficult than the BA.1 variant. We know that prior infection with the BA.1 or the BA.2 variant provides little protection for infection with the BA.5 variant.
=> We also know that the vaccines don't really protect against the infection very well. This is the situation we must contend with.

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/ ... h--2060472

[handdrummer]

What we believe is irrelevant. It's only what we know that matters.