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Thai coup leader admits little proof of Thaksin corruption

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This is worse than bad news, it's devastating news and has huge implications if true. This guy must have really covered his tracks. Pete

PS: Unless it's a grand ploy to lure him back here feeling secure, then bring the hammer down. That would be a Thai style approach for sure. :D
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BANGKOK (AFP) - Investigators have failed to uncover solid evidence of corruption by Thailand's ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra, the country's coup leader said, undermining the main rationale for the takeover.

However, General Sonthi Boonyaratglin advised Thaksin against returning in the near future and warned the military was on the alert for any risk of a counter-coup by his supporters.

"It will be difficult to implicate him" in major corruption cases, Sonthi told the Nation newspaper.

"I am not sure how far the Office of the Auditor General can investigate suspected corruption cases involving him. They might get nowhere at all," he said.

"We cannot impound the money he made with accountable legal evidence, but can only look for some possible hidden (evidence) with questionable background," the newspaper quoted him as saying.

Sonthi has repeatedly justified the bloodless September 19 coup by saying widespread corruption during Thaksin's five years in office had undermined democracy.

He quickly revived the nation's dormant corruption watchdogs and set up his own high-powered team of investigators to look into graft allegations against Thaksin.

"Under the previous government, widespread corruption was evident. The administration was plagued by irregularities," he told the paper.

But Sonthi acknowledged the military could lose the public support it has generally enjoyed since the coup if nothing emerged to back up specific corruption claims.

"We have tried to abide by the law and take all parties' concerns into account," he was quoted as saying.

"For example, the international community is watching to see whether human rights and civil liberties are being violated" during the corruption probes, he said.

"I know how the people feel. I guess I feel the same way when I watch soccer. I am always frustrated when waiting for my team to score and feel like getting on the field and playing myself," he said.

Political science lecturer Sombat Chantawong said he did not know why Sonthi made the comments before the anti-graft bodies had completed their investigations.

"The coup group needs to prove that their reasons are true, otherwise they will be in trouble," he told AFP. "Otherwise the coup leaders only ousted the government to take power."

Sonthi also told the Nation that the military was on guard for a possible counter-coup movement, and warned Thaksin not to try to return home yet.

"If he's really concerned about the country, he shouldn't try to come back at present," Sonthi was quoted as saying.

"For people who used to have so much and lose it so swiftly, it's hard to come to terms with that, and they may do everything necessary to get it all back," he said.

Thaksin was in New York when the coup occurred, and has stayed in exile in London since.

His wife, Pojaman, had gone to meet him, but has since returned to Thailand.

She spent 15 minutes early Thursday meeting former prime minister Prem Tinsulanonda, a top adviser to Thailand's revered king, in an effort to secure permission for Thaksin's return. Neither Pojaman or Prem commented on the meeting.

Prem is believed to have played a key role in orchestrating the coup, and many of the leaders imposed by the military in government and in parliament have close ties to him.

In his interview with the Nation, Sonthi denied he had informed Prem before staging the coup, but cited the Thaksin government's perceived lack of respect for the monarchy as one of his reasons for the takeover.

"The military cannot tolerate any leaders who lack or have limited loyalty to the king," he told the paper.

Thailand's King Bhumibol Adulyadej, who at 78 has spent six decades on the throne, is revered by his people and any perceived insult to him is a serious crime here.

But Sonthi said that criminal charges that Thaksin had insulted the king were also failing to stick.

"He has cleared some of the cases (before the coup), and our officials are looking into the other remaining cases," he said.
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Does Mr T stand for Mr Teflon? :roll: :( Why does this not surprise me? The guy obviously leads a charmed life. Let's hope he gets his reward in the next life...
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Let's hope he gets his reward in the next life...
The implication here is that he may come back........ :shock:

$hi* - let's hope not..........

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He'll be back

Rumour has it that is already camped in Singapore

Bloodshed on the horizon????
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Business as usual?
Is it just an exclusive club? :cry:
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richard wrote:He'll be back

Rumour has it that is already camped in Singapore

Bloodshed on the horizon????
I'd also read that he'd flown out of London - don't know how reliable that was. The army were setting up more checkpoints on the roads down south to make sure he didn't slip in unannounced.
Mind you, he's been told not to come back, as the article said - at least for now - so it'll be interesting, to say the least, if he does. Again, I read that extra troops have been brought in to BKK, just in case. There will be various factions of the army who are still loyal to him, I'm sure.
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Interesting times ahead

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I do think there are interesting times ahead for Thailand. And I believe this is only just beginning.

Whilst Mr T was in England his wife joins him and then flys home with only hours to spare bearing the necessary paper that were ordered to be produced. Mt T didn't come.

Then there is the worrisome part that no corruption has been found and this is what the coup had been based upon.
A cover up or bait maybe?

Military movement, and whats look to be an alert that Mr T may try to get back into Thailand, has been denied vigorously by the Government who don't want Mr T back yet (or do they?)

The power of the Bangkokians is large but is it large enough when it comes to confronting the rural people? Don't forget that even if Mr T is/or was corrupt (everyone has their own views on this) the voting power of the people put him there. Yes yes I know, before someone flips out, the elections could have, or probably were rigged with voters being bought but this happens all over the world and for varying reasons. Who can blaim the individual country farmer for taking money in return for a vote when that money means more to them than what is happening in the big city which is now seeing the core Thai culture being dominated by western culture? "We" of the western world are crying for democracy in Thailand and the end to their old ways but whydo we have that right? We cant fix our own countries problems what gives us the right to meddle in others affairs?

But this is just the views of one person and as the machinations of the Thailand Government have for centuries been an intriguing topic to follow. The under currents I believe are more like tidal rips.

I continue to watch very carefully. I love a who dunnit and this is a classic.
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I think the position of HM the King is all important as far as the vast majority of the Thai people are concerned, and it has been made pretty clear where he stands I think, so I also think that Thaksin's 'popular base' will have all but disappeared, hence the high approval ratings for the coup. Of course he may be able to reestablish that with more payments but I think he would be looked on with a lot more suspicion if he did. I'm sure there is a Thai equivalent saying of 'no smoke without fire' and that is exactly how most people view Thaksin now.
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Good point

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Good point and I sincerely hope you are right.
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[quote="Hublet]

..........Then there is the worrisome part that no corruption has been found and this is what the coup had been based upon.
A cover up or bait maybe?........

...........Yes yes I know, before someone flips out, the elections could have, or probably were rigged with voters being bought but this happens all over the world and for varying reasons. Who can blaim the individual country farmer for taking money in return for a vote when that money means more to them than what is happening in the big city which is now seeing the core Thai culture being dominated by western culture? "We" of the western world are crying for democracy in Thailand and the end to their old ways but whydo we have that right? We cant fix our own countries problems what gives us the right to meddle in others affairs?.........

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The cover up and intrigue creted after Taksins second election into power is intrernal and ther is no evidence of outside influences with the exception that if all goes paer shape you are welcome to hide out in Singapore or the UK until the dust settle or even for ever.

As for who can blaim the individual who takes cash for votes in poor areas is fully understandable in fact the reality is that many of them did not know what was happening. They had been told that there was a national Taksion backed party and they would all be given money to stay at home that day and co-operate with their local (usually known to them) party officials who themselves were on Taksins payroll.

The fact that ir goes on all over the world is a weak argument. Rape, theft, assault, fraud and much more serious crimes go on all over the world. Does that make those crimes acceptable. I think not. If (and there is no if doubt it as far I am concerned) Taksin iis implemented in vote riugging tom get elected he is guilty of corruption. This alone is enought to have him deposed him and many arrests should be made of his colaborators. He hae been given nearly one yera to complete his fraudulaent actions and cover his arse so it is no surprise that no evidence has been found.

Oe question I have is why does he want to come back. He has resigned from head of TRT and his popularity is low. He has embezzled all he needs alrewady so what is the point.

If Taksin was from some Sub-Saharan Country he would have been hit about 9 months ago probably with foreign interested Western backers.

The West obviously has some ulteria motive for protecting him and it is nothing to do with Thailand.
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Post by lomuamart »

Hublet's post above is a good one, regardless of whether I agree or not.
But, I think the "politics" have gone much further than this. Thaksin was always the Western world's muppet - whenever we could have even been bothered to look.
Today, I met a Thai person who was willing to give their view on life here.
For the first time in HH, I agreed.
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thai coup leader admits little proof of thaksin corruption

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I find it extremely puzzling that even after the above announcement that people cannot accept it at face value and wait and see.

guess quote he has already embezzled???? if you have proof take it to the authorities to BOTH of the investigating bodies you know the ones who havent found anything in 2 months
He was outed under those reasons and accusations and the guy who did it is the same guy who made this statement you accepted his first statement at face value why not the second

Hublet why is it worrying that no evidence has been found could it be it doesnt fit your assumptions of guilt

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I dont give a tinkers cuss if he comes back or not because this is and hopefully will be my last sortie into politics its thai politics and entirely up to the thais in my house mrs sarge and brother tom

The hypocrites who criticise the thai law the thai govt should look in the mirror we do not find guilt by accusation which is exactely what some are doing.
As for buying votes BOTH partys were doing it right here in hua hin.
Also just a small point the opposition were also paying people to march and were being checked by factory bosses under threat of sack if they did not go to the marches that aint my kind of democracy.
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Freedom of speech.
It's a difficult concept to grasp in this country. Again, I found a person who was willing to talk their mind today.
That's a way forward.
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Post by Wanderlust »

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the election commission/enquiry find both Thaksin and TRT guilty of rigging the last (re)vote? That in itself is good enough reason to (a) prevent Thaksin's return to this country, or (b) if he does to prosecute him. I would like to bet that once Thaksin reneges on a deal with a high up supporter (which he inevitably will do at some point), that person will speak out and the whole house of cards will tumble around his ears. I also believe Thaksin could be charged with manslaughter or even murder after his botched drug policy - he didn't pull the trigger but he may just as well have done on those thousands that died.
I also suspect this story is a smokescreen, and they are trying to tempt him back.
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correct me if i am wrong to date no nil zero buggerall charges have been laid against mr t (lots of accusations and lots of investigation but no charges)
again correct me if i am wrong the election commission is sacked is no more dont exist
Do I think mr t is guilty of any or all of the accusations??? I will keep my personal views silent and leave it in the capable hands of the thai people who will i am sure deal with it appropriately as to THEIR culture

I am after all a only guest in their country
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