A Pattya view of property.
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A Pattya view of property.
A friend and former resident of HH alerted me to this opinion piece in Pattaya Today which contains, among others, a view on property here. I thought I'd present it on this thread as we are hot into the debate, again on property.
I do this not because I believe Khun Pete has his finger on the truth but as I appreciated knowing the existence of this opinion, some here might also. and perhaps take up the cuddgles in defense of our fair city.
HHS
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Pete's Peregrinations
17. January 2008, 00:42
Pattaya - Hua Hin update
by Peter Lloyd
Regular readers know I go to Hua Hin a few times a year, and always for Christmas/New Year. When I’m there I enjoy comparing the state of the town’s business, tourism and real estate sectors with Pattaya’s, usually to Hua Hin’s detriment. And so it proved this Christmas.
I spoke to a number of hotel and guest house owners in Hua Hin, who confirmed this was the lowest high season they had seen for a long time (I have been going there for 5 years and it was certainly the lowest we have seen). Our hotel wasn’t fully booked, restaurants were not as busy as usual,and we could always get a table when we wanted one, which was very unusual. We were
told the week before Christmas had been even quieter than Christmas week.
The real estate market, which is a year or more behind Pattaya’s cycle, is also in the doldrums, although that hasn’t stopped even more agencies opening (often just along the street from other well-fitted out, prominently-located agencies which have recently opened and quickly closed down) since I was last there, 6 months ago.
This was no surprise. They are also closing in Pattaya, but, per head of visitor and resident, Hua Hin still has considerably more agents than Pattaya, and they are very lonely-looking places.
When we were there, over 4 working days, we saw very few customers inside them or looking in their windows. Just bored sales agents in empty but expensively-fitted-out shops. In Pattaya you see potential punters all the time, looking in windows, and talking to agents, especially in high season. Even if they are not buying there is still interest.
Tellingly, some developers have opened outlets in Hua Hin to sell their own product. How successful this will be I don’t know, but I can guess.
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I also noticed the novelty of street promotions for real estate projects, when we were bombarded with freebies and promotional pamphlets handed out all over town by developers. I thought it smacked of desperation, but I’m no marketer and it may be more effective than expensivel renting
and fitting out sales offices in town, or spending large amounts on media advertising. The main difference between Hua Hin and Pattaya real estate markets is more noticeable when looking to the future. In Pattaya there is always something for real estate optimists to grasp hold of, for instance the Russians – boorish and low-end they may mostly be right now, with some small time buying and renting, but in future, as they increasingly displace Western Europeans in Pattaya, and hopefully wealthier ones arrive, how many Russian buyers will there be, how many developments will come onstream using Russian money, how many unsold condo units are and will be filled by block-booking or private-rental holidaying Russians, improving rental yields for investors?
The answer may be “noneâ€
I do this not because I believe Khun Pete has his finger on the truth but as I appreciated knowing the existence of this opinion, some here might also. and perhaps take up the cuddgles in defense of our fair city.
HHS
Pattaya Today
Pete's Peregrinations
17. January 2008, 00:42
Pattaya - Hua Hin update
by Peter Lloyd
Regular readers know I go to Hua Hin a few times a year, and always for Christmas/New Year. When I’m there I enjoy comparing the state of the town’s business, tourism and real estate sectors with Pattaya’s, usually to Hua Hin’s detriment. And so it proved this Christmas.
I spoke to a number of hotel and guest house owners in Hua Hin, who confirmed this was the lowest high season they had seen for a long time (I have been going there for 5 years and it was certainly the lowest we have seen). Our hotel wasn’t fully booked, restaurants were not as busy as usual,and we could always get a table when we wanted one, which was very unusual. We were
told the week before Christmas had been even quieter than Christmas week.
The real estate market, which is a year or more behind Pattaya’s cycle, is also in the doldrums, although that hasn’t stopped even more agencies opening (often just along the street from other well-fitted out, prominently-located agencies which have recently opened and quickly closed down) since I was last there, 6 months ago.
This was no surprise. They are also closing in Pattaya, but, per head of visitor and resident, Hua Hin still has considerably more agents than Pattaya, and they are very lonely-looking places.
When we were there, over 4 working days, we saw very few customers inside them or looking in their windows. Just bored sales agents in empty but expensively-fitted-out shops. In Pattaya you see potential punters all the time, looking in windows, and talking to agents, especially in high season. Even if they are not buying there is still interest.
Tellingly, some developers have opened outlets in Hua Hin to sell their own product. How successful this will be I don’t know, but I can guess.
Only here for the pier
I also noticed the novelty of street promotions for real estate projects, when we were bombarded with freebies and promotional pamphlets handed out all over town by developers. I thought it smacked of desperation, but I’m no marketer and it may be more effective than expensivel renting
and fitting out sales offices in town, or spending large amounts on media advertising. The main difference between Hua Hin and Pattaya real estate markets is more noticeable when looking to the future. In Pattaya there is always something for real estate optimists to grasp hold of, for instance the Russians – boorish and low-end they may mostly be right now, with some small time buying and renting, but in future, as they increasingly displace Western Europeans in Pattaya, and hopefully wealthier ones arrive, how many Russian buyers will there be, how many developments will come onstream using Russian money, how many unsold condo units are and will be filled by block-booking or private-rental holidaying Russians, improving rental yields for investors?
The answer may be “noneâ€
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Interesting article though it does seem to be just a rant about Hua Hin in many places.
There are some aspects I'd agree with in there but I lot I don't.
There are some aspects I'd agree with in there but I lot I don't.
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nothing wrong with people expressing an opinion & its always open to debate whether its valid or otherwise.
i would just say that bad press is always more widely exposed in the media & tends to stay in focus a lot longer than good press.
a tarnished reputation is hard to shake off no matter how much you dress it up, unfortunately pattaya has this reputation & it is one that will be hard to shed
i would just say that bad press is always more widely exposed in the media & tends to stay in focus a lot longer than good press.
a tarnished reputation is hard to shake off no matter how much you dress it up, unfortunately pattaya has this reputation & it is one that will be hard to shed
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It's not the OP's view. It's the view/an article of some bloke who writes for Pattaya TodayHHTel wrote: Are you sure you didn't visit some alternative Hua Hin as most of the opinion doesn't seem to gel with what we know as Hua Hin.
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[quote="STEVE G"]So the real-estate market is dying in Hua Hin, with no more new housing developments! Where is the down-side in that; Pattaya can have them all as far as I’m concerned!
Fill them up with Russians.[/quote]
Hit there Steve G.
you can say Eastern Europeans and Russians They have virtually taken over Pattaya over in mrere couple of years. It's Sad really!
Dawn may I quote you?:"It's not the OP's view. It's the view/an article of some bloke who writes for Pattaya Today"
Well let him and his biased view towards Hua Hin. I think it's a ploy to lure Foreigners to move to the otherside of the Rim which I think it'won't work
and may backfire on them. Hey does Hua Hin have a Spin Off English Mag called Hua Hin today? maybe one of their wirters should wirte a simikar article.
HHTel may I quote you as well?: "Are you sure you didn't visit some alternative Hua Hin as most of the opinion doesn't seem to gel with what we know as Hua Hin." Yep Yep you are absolutely right! HHTEl!
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Fill them up with Russians.[/quote]
Hit there Steve G.
you can say Eastern Europeans and Russians They have virtually taken over Pattaya over in mrere couple of years. It's Sad really!
Dawn may I quote you?:"It's not the OP's view. It's the view/an article of some bloke who writes for Pattaya Today"
Well let him and his biased view towards Hua Hin. I think it's a ploy to lure Foreigners to move to the otherside of the Rim which I think it'won't work
and may backfire on them. Hey does Hua Hin have a Spin Off English Mag called Hua Hin today? maybe one of their wirters should wirte a simikar article.
HHTel may I quote you as well?: "Are you sure you didn't visit some alternative Hua Hin as most of the opinion doesn't seem to gel with what we know as Hua Hin." Yep Yep you are absolutely right! HHTEl!
Your's The understudy! "In Love with Hua Hin Since late 1999!"
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Nice thought but that particular rag is owned by a farang who has another one where he started out ... you got it - Pattaya!The understudy wrote:Hey does Hua Hin have a Spin Off English Mag called Hua Hin today? maybe one of their wirters should wirte a simikar article.
Who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed? - Hunter S Thompson
Well obviously this guy has a (not so) hidden agenda. The Pattaya real estate developers and agents who advertise in his magazine/newspaper will be happy to read it. They will cut it out, frame it and hang it on the wall in their sales offices. "Dear Prospects, Stay away from Hua Hin for your own good. It is almost completely covered with dead fish and green algae. You better focus on shiny Pattaya."
We are all living in 'the good old days' of the future.
I moved to Pattaya about 3 years ago for work, after being in Hua Hin for 2.5 years . I survived 8 months. I couldn't wait to get out of there. It was an awful place. Driving to work, you saw things that you didn't want to be seeing at 8am. The news, as the original article was saying, it is that bad. It's depressing. Yes, report the news, unfortunatly there was nothing good to balance it out.
Admitidly the night life is better in Pattaya, however, I never felt part of a community as I do here. I didn't have a local to go into that I felt comfortable (single white female).
The traffic was terrible, you think Hua Hin is bad at the weekends!
The beach - well, I walked along the beach about 7 one evening and got offered a range of things; girls, boys, children, lady boys, who knows what else, I crossed over to the other side of road.
All in all, the moment I got offered a job back in Hua Hin I was outa of there, and haven't been back since.
Let people live in Pattaya, if they like, fine. They can stay there.
Each to their own and all that.
Admitidly the night life is better in Pattaya, however, I never felt part of a community as I do here. I didn't have a local to go into that I felt comfortable (single white female).
The traffic was terrible, you think Hua Hin is bad at the weekends!
The beach - well, I walked along the beach about 7 one evening and got offered a range of things; girls, boys, children, lady boys, who knows what else, I crossed over to the other side of road.
All in all, the moment I got offered a job back in Hua Hin I was outa of there, and haven't been back since.
Let people live in Pattaya, if they like, fine. They can stay there.
Each to their own and all that.
So a marginal improvement on Hua Hin Today then ... which makes great toilet paper by the way.johnnyk wrote:Pattaya Today????? Please!
Lots of cred there, they print only the news that fills the spaces between the ads. Sometimes they even spell things correctly.
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