Hua Hin Pool League

[Wanderlust]

The past cannot be changed, so it's best to just learn from it and move on. Lets keep this thread to talking about what is going on now shall we? All the leagues probably have different formats and rules so maybe we can talk about them - what do people like/dislike about the various ones being used? For example are people enjoying the Friday night league which has very different rules compared to before?
The good thing now is that people can pick and choose a team that plays in a league with rules/format/game that suit them, which we didn't have before - if someone didn't like the rules in place there was nowhere for them to go. There were a lot of issues concerning rules and formats before which caused problems.

[Bamboo Grove]

Yes, let´s stay in the present and speculate about the future. I started the league and it was much easier for me to run it as it has been to those who´ve done it after me. There were no leagues in Hua Hin in 2002 so all the venue owners and players were happy with that. With 12 teams it was easy to manage and the main problems came from individual players who would call me (sometimes past midnight) to ask about the rules. They were not even playing a league game but a drunken game with someone who didn´t know the rules and didn´t play in the league.
After that, as WL has pointed out, the league started to grow rapidly so more people would want to have things done "their way". Also the formats had to change as a simple one division round-robin league was not possible any more. That caused problems who´d play in which division and with which teams.
In my opinion, those who´ve managed the league after me have done a great job and I wish to thank them for carrying on despite the critisism from some venue owners and players.
So let´s get to real business.

[Guess]

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The pool leauge set up by Osmo was fun,his plan was to bring people for a night of fun and friendship were the bars might make a little in the low season...................

I was aware that Osmo founded the league with just Jungle Juice and Bamboo Grove in about 2002. I am currently working on a Hua Hin of old project that you may have seen on this site. It is not a money making venture so any free knowledge of the past is useful. You seem to be very well informed.

It does however raise a few questions and it has pointed out that I have not got the story right.

Maybe you can help. As you say the truth is important especially when some of the bar details will be published.

Can you explain in more detail about the dates. The league was taken over with Wij as chairman was in early 2005 according to the league records that I managed to find a copy of. SugarCane did not exist then. Perhaps it was All Bar Won that you meant. Same building different management.

You say one venue had five teams. I know some had two, Jungle Juice, Johnnie Walker's, Nervana, Lazy Daze and Lucky Shot were the only ones I was aware of. What confuses me is how five teams can play at one venue that only has two tables. JJ, JW, Nervana and Lazy Daze only have one table so it couldn't be them. That only leaves Lucky Shot who could cater for five teams but I did not know that they ever had more than 2. I thought they had their own league anyway. May be you can tell me the true situation.

I remember a ringer issue and Octopussy being falsely accused when they only used regular local players. I think Lucky Shot were also accused falsely. When someone spoke out against the practice he was accused of racism. If there was a solution to that problem I never heard it. It would be like starting a Londoners Pool League in Dublin and saying Irishmen cannot play. My reaction to that would be **** off and go and play in London then.

I thought the individuals contest stopped after the new committee took over. Nobody turned up for them and players were even called back out of the venues to return to their bars before they got a chance to play. I haven't been aware of any individual 8-Ball contest for at least two years. I don't know anybody who was invited. Maybe you can elucidate.
I remember a guy called Kieran who was a good player. His friend Brian said that his bar called him and told him not to play. I am not sure but I think he played for Sawan.

Can you explain the penultimate paragraph with a bit more detail. You mention Osmo’s vision and it is my understanding also but I thought that Osmo and Steve still lent their support to the league up until this day. This is why I made the statement earlier:

..............they built the Hua Hin Leagues from nothing and they have not ever received a single Baht for doing so. Many others, especially Lek from Rose Bar, have also lent their services for free.

As WL and BG and I have already state, this thread is for constructive purposes so anything of that nature will be welcome.

From what you have written it seems to me that there is a lot of false hearsay floating around.

My final questions are, were you involved with the committee at any stage and if not which one of the participating bars were you involved with.

I have copies of all emails sent out for the last six seasons and I have seen no reference to your observations before. Where did the information come from or was that inside committee confidential stuff that you alone were party to?

If teams were only playing 60% of away matches then they must also have only played 60% of home matches. Each match has a home team and an away team. Why did the Observer and the Hua Hin Pool Leagues' website report that all matches had been played?

I am sure that all you write is all correct but it just seems strange that there is no record of any of those issues anywhere despite the fact there were many issues as WL has explained, that were recorded and published.

I was told that bringing drinks with you to away matches was not supported by the committee but it was an issue that should be dealt with by the venue host. The committee would always support the venue in that instance if they had been informed. Are you saying this was incorrect?

[MURF]

Perhaps it was All Bar Won that you meant. Same building different management.

I have copies of all emails sent out for the last six seasons

All bar one/sugarcane bar same building yes,different management no until 2007 I think.If you have all the emails then you must have been involved in some way with the committee so you should know the truth then.

You say one venue had five teams. What confuses me is how five teams can play at one venue that only has two tables.

I never said one venue I said one bar owner,i will not say the bar name because they played by the rules set by the committee,this bar owner had 3 bars=5 teams.

Kierans friend Brian said that his bar called him and told him not to play. I am not sure but I think he played for Sawan.

Kieran never played for Sawan and he never had a telephone back then,what happend to him was what I explained in my post,he is still here if you need to comfirm this.

Osmo left H.H. for work reasons,Steve and Magnus took it over done a great job but were treated badly very badly by the new committee.

I am trying to be constructive here,as you said yourself racism has now crept into the old leauge-so wouldn't it be better if we learnth from our mistakes and try to get back to Osmos plan for a fun leauge-the leauge being played now seems far from fun.

From what you have written it seems to me that there is a lot of false hearsay floating around.

I havn't stated any false hearsay,remember this is a leauge with many people and a lot of people still remember what really happend back then.

inside committee confidential stuff that you alone were party to?

Everything I stated was common knowledge,but what confidential stuff would a committee have on a fun pool leauge maybe this confidential stuff is the trouble of the pool leauge today,were the top 16 draws confidential stuff or were they open draws!.

As for a team only playing 60% away games this was under the old committee of Steve & Mag,this team should not have been allowed to enter the next year but they were and the leauge became 50 teams with bar owners having 2 teams = home game every week =some bar owners never went to a away game = greed.

My main point is what Osmo created was fun but 2 years down the fun dissapeared to be replaced with greed and profits by the then committee and bar owners , now as you state racism is part of the leauge,surly there is something wrong here that must be tackled.

[(buffalo) Bill]

How does one get in the pool league? Could you PM the answer pls.

[Bamboo Grove]

This has gone out of topic, so let´s close it. I´ll start a new one and let´s try to chat about real pool league news there.