Would like to know of any recommendations for good bars where i can have a few beers and still make it to the toilets without killing myself.
All help greatfully recieved and thanks to anyone whos helped me so far.
Disabled access
Disabled access
So far finding lots of places with difficult access to toilets made easier by helpful staff and patrons.
Would like to know of any recommendations for good bars where i can have a few beers and still make it to the toilets without killing myself.
All help greatfully recieved and thanks to anyone whos helped me so far.
Would like to know of any recommendations for good bars where i can have a few beers and still make it to the toilets without killing myself.
All help greatfully recieved and thanks to anyone whos helped me so far.
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Aaah, one of my pet topics, and a very real problem for a lot of folks.
Fortunately Thai people are indeed very helpful, but much still needs to be done.
Those slopes installed in kerb edges are much too steep for a start.
Ongoing limitations with Skytrain access as well. OK - elevators are installed now, but how on earth do you find someone to help you access them without first going up the stairs?
We found ourselves faced with yet another flight of stairs at the Chatuchak BST last week. Strange as it seems people with knee problems often find that going down starcases is much more difficult than going up them. So there is an elevator conveniently placed at the head of the stairs to ground level. But it's secured by an extra glass door, which can't be opened from the outside!
Toilets of course are an extra problem in LOS, especially at service areas which still have squatties, and on trains. Take a look in SN Restaurant at the top of the HH Night Market for a classic loo access problem. Its in a tiny room with 3 steps ascending to the throne.
As for pavements - gimme a break. HH isn't as bad pavement wise as Bangkok though, where building work on Sukhumvit and in Siam Sq areas have resulted in some tortuous messes. Not to mention the Soi Yamato pavements in Pattaya where the smoking ban has forced bar stools outside, blocking pedestrian access.
Good to see though that more disabled Thai people seem equipped with decent crutches these days. I just wonder how many loose them down holes in the pavements.
Fortunately Thai people are indeed very helpful, but much still needs to be done.
Those slopes installed in kerb edges are much too steep for a start.
Ongoing limitations with Skytrain access as well. OK - elevators are installed now, but how on earth do you find someone to help you access them without first going up the stairs?
We found ourselves faced with yet another flight of stairs at the Chatuchak BST last week. Strange as it seems people with knee problems often find that going down starcases is much more difficult than going up them. So there is an elevator conveniently placed at the head of the stairs to ground level. But it's secured by an extra glass door, which can't be opened from the outside!
Toilets of course are an extra problem in LOS, especially at service areas which still have squatties, and on trains. Take a look in SN Restaurant at the top of the HH Night Market for a classic loo access problem. Its in a tiny room with 3 steps ascending to the throne.
As for pavements - gimme a break. HH isn't as bad pavement wise as Bangkok though, where building work on Sukhumvit and in Siam Sq areas have resulted in some tortuous messes. Not to mention the Soi Yamato pavements in Pattaya where the smoking ban has forced bar stools outside, blocking pedestrian access.
Good to see though that more disabled Thai people seem equipped with decent crutches these days. I just wonder how many loose them down holes in the pavements.
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if you are looking for easy bar access/toilet access then Id stick to the bars along the "Hilton" end of the main Binabaht street, as there the bars are mainly a small 4 ish inch step up from the street.
A couple of the bars down he top end of Poolsuk are "flat" inside with a small step up to get in...Geronimo Bar and the bar next door for instance. You could give them a try....staff are usually helpful to get you over the first smallish step.
Down at the end of Poolsuk road, like where O'Niells/London Bar/Diamond Bar and P&P are, the bars are elevated to about three feet above street level and none i know of have ramps....its the way the bars were converted....no room to put ramps in....and the fact they used to get flooded.
Johnny Walkers is pretty flat though with a small step up to get in....nice loos too..and plenty of room to maneuver a chair!
Hope this helps....
if you are looking for easy bar access/toilet access then Id stick to the bars along the "Hilton" end of the main Binabaht street, as there the bars are mainly a small 4 ish inch step up from the street.
A couple of the bars down he top end of Poolsuk are "flat" inside with a small step up to get in...Geronimo Bar and the bar next door for instance. You could give them a try....staff are usually helpful to get you over the first smallish step.
Down at the end of Poolsuk road, like where O'Niells/London Bar/Diamond Bar and P&P are, the bars are elevated to about three feet above street level and none i know of have ramps....its the way the bars were converted....no room to put ramps in....and the fact they used to get flooded.
Johnny Walkers is pretty flat though with a small step up to get in....nice loos too..and plenty of room to maneuver a chair!
Hope this helps....
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Crumbling pavements
Thanks for the replys,
Already found out about the pavements. Got dropped off about 300 meters from where i wanted to be by a shit of a tuk tuk driver. Would not go any further so had to do the assault course. The ramps which to me feel like a vertical incline are hard work when you have little balanceand the crumbling manhole covers need a careful eye, especially the crumbling ones. Add in the food stalls, cables secured into the pavement scooters on the pavement (Parked and moving) and appalling inability to lay paving slabs (any western council would e bankrupt from claims) and 300 meters later I was totally a knackered sweat stain.
Still its getting me fitter and its certainly different.
I would add that from time to time i do use a wheel chair for going distances and that would be a total nightmare here. You would have to hire a helper!
Already found out about the pavements. Got dropped off about 300 meters from where i wanted to be by a shit of a tuk tuk driver. Would not go any further so had to do the assault course. The ramps which to me feel like a vertical incline are hard work when you have little balanceand the crumbling manhole covers need a careful eye, especially the crumbling ones. Add in the food stalls, cables secured into the pavement scooters on the pavement (Parked and moving) and appalling inability to lay paving slabs (any western council would e bankrupt from claims) and 300 meters later I was totally a knackered sweat stain.
Still its getting me fitter and its certainly different.
I would add that from time to time i do use a wheel chair for going distances and that would be a total nightmare here. You would have to hire a helper!
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Having worked in a field which was and is very conscious of the disabled, and with providing them proper access, I tend to think about wheelchair ramps and such things all the time and it obvious that nobody here does. (Well, except for those who use them of course.)
It is sad really that the powers that be haven't a clue, just dont care ( Thai attitudes toward any disability is often appalling anyway) .and there must be a lot of Thai folks in wheelchairs or otherwise prevented from leaving the house by the state of the "sidewalks" and the stairs up and down wherever you look.
When we lived in Cha am, I was always amused that the wide, nicely built sidewalks along the oceanfront were rented out for stalls and people forced into the rather busy two way street.
As well, take a look around Hua Hin at the gridded sidewalk tiles meant to guide the blind. They have the tiles and put them in. .I suppose this shows some sensitivity. . . which is surprising. . but most of them run smack into a tree or a booth of some sort.
It is sad really that the powers that be haven't a clue, just dont care ( Thai attitudes toward any disability is often appalling anyway) .and there must be a lot of Thai folks in wheelchairs or otherwise prevented from leaving the house by the state of the "sidewalks" and the stairs up and down wherever you look.
When we lived in Cha am, I was always amused that the wide, nicely built sidewalks along the oceanfront were rented out for stalls and people forced into the rather busy two way street.
As well, take a look around Hua Hin at the gridded sidewalk tiles meant to guide the blind. They have the tiles and put them in. .I suppose this shows some sensitivity. . . which is surprising. . but most of them run smack into a tree or a booth of some sort.
brit583,
I have every sympathy with you - I remember 17 years ago, and how hard it was to push my son anywhere in his pushchair. I don't think I could push it more than 10 yards without having to go on 2 wheels to negotiate an obstacle. It must be a nightmare in a wheelchair.
I have every sympathy with you - I remember 17 years ago, and how hard it was to push my son anywhere in his pushchair. I don't think I could push it more than 10 yards without having to go on 2 wheels to negotiate an obstacle. It must be a nightmare in a wheelchair.
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Despite all the problems you still have to think how lucky you are. From what i see disabled thai's get little or no support unless their family is capable of supporting them.
If i visited at a time when i was fully in a wheelchair I would have to pay for a helper or juststay at the hotel.
Even the Hilton only pays lip sevice to disabled access. The only place i can rely on access when traveling outside the western world is airports. You always get straight through. I suppost there has to be some upside
It does suck that I have difficulty looking around more than 100 yards from the hotel without being totally stressed and knackered.
Maybe I'll head down bintabhat and get a team of girls to help me.
If i visited at a time when i was fully in a wheelchair I would have to pay for a helper or juststay at the hotel.
Even the Hilton only pays lip sevice to disabled access. The only place i can rely on access when traveling outside the western world is airports. You always get straight through. I suppost there has to be some upside
It does suck that I have difficulty looking around more than 100 yards from the hotel without being totally stressed and knackered.
Maybe I'll head down bintabhat and get a team of girls to help me.
Finding a nice lady to look after your needs is probably your best bet, and I'm not necessarily talking about bedroom needs.
I've known several people who were going to visit Thailand for the first time. I've always suggested that they should take a 'nice' girl from a bar. My reasoning being that the girl will show them parts of Thailand that they would not necessarily see as a casual tourist. The girl will look after them (basic needs such as laundry etc - including pushing a wheelchair). The girl will come at a cost, but it could really improve the quality of the holiday 10 fold, and these girls can pay for themselves in the money they can save you.
I know this will probably be controversial, but those that I have advised, who have taken my advice have been grateful. As I said, bedroom needs can be optional.
I've known several people who were going to visit Thailand for the first time. I've always suggested that they should take a 'nice' girl from a bar. My reasoning being that the girl will show them parts of Thailand that they would not necessarily see as a casual tourist. The girl will look after them (basic needs such as laundry etc - including pushing a wheelchair). The girl will come at a cost, but it could really improve the quality of the holiday 10 fold, and these girls can pay for themselves in the money they can save you.
I know this will probably be controversial, but those that I have advised, who have taken my advice have been grateful. As I said, bedroom needs can be optional.
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I think that's fair enough BB. Nothing wrong with trying to get the best out of your holiday and time(everyone does that) regardless of your personal situation or who you are. Those that 'harp' on about this sort of stuff, trying to tell everyone what's 'right' and 'wrong' are just the sanctimonious/'holier than thou' brigade, it doesn't matter, we are all to old and experienced to listen to that 'bollocks'. "Do what thou wilt' is a good one in my book.
Most that judge/whinge/frown upon etc etc about this stuff have not got their lives so perfect that it gives them clairvoyance to pass judgement on others. It is very hard to see 'all ends' and motivations in situations so most would be better off concerning themselves with their own lives instead.
BB, if it works for them, then so be it.
Most that judge/whinge/frown upon etc etc about this stuff have not got their lives so perfect that it gives them clairvoyance to pass judgement on others. It is very hard to see 'all ends' and motivations in situations so most would be better off concerning themselves with their own lives instead.
BB, if it works for them, then so be it.
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Re: Helper
I'm afraid that it's so long since I've been in the lady market I couldn't hazzard a guess at costs. The fact that Hua Hin should be entering its peak season could work against you.brit583 wrote:It does sound a little odd but does make a lot of sense. Do you have any idea what you should look to be paying her?
Could get expensive for a 2 month holiday!!!
If you're talking a couple of months you should be able to negotiate a reasonable price for a long term helper..
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Agree with the others there Brit - you do see quite a few farang with Thai lady helpers. I also saw a farang recently in Bangkok using a rollator which seemed to work well for him.
The ramps in pavements are much too steep to be of use to many, and sadly some good bars in the HuaHin Bazaar area are an assault course access wise.
As Sandman rightly says the flooding used to be a major factor in the height of bars. The Diamond Bar on Poolsuk did have a ramp when it was still a shop house (many Thai houses still have them - to get their motorbikes indoors.) But it also just had one very high step! In the process of conversion to the (then) Ship I needed to have the present extra step added. The Tessabahn allocated a new boundary in the process and the old ramp exceeded the new limit. Hence it had to go!
The ramps in pavements are much too steep to be of use to many, and sadly some good bars in the HuaHin Bazaar area are an assault course access wise.
As Sandman rightly says the flooding used to be a major factor in the height of bars. The Diamond Bar on Poolsuk did have a ramp when it was still a shop house (many Thai houses still have them - to get their motorbikes indoors.) But it also just had one very high step! In the process of conversion to the (then) Ship I needed to have the present extra step added. The Tessabahn allocated a new boundary in the process and the old ramp exceeded the new limit. Hence it had to go!
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