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It is the Dollar that will define what rate you get for your GBP to the Baht.

Forget what Gordon Brown is doing by printing money, the $ reigns supreme whether we like it or not.

Buying bonds with this printed money to stimulate the economy, relies on the banks responding' by lending the money to business, judging on their recent record, that won't happen anytime soon.

I believe the Baht will drop to 40 to the £ if the Thai government does not devalue soon.

Thailand needs the exports to the USA but with the present $/Baht rate, exports to the US, will start to fall.

The UK will take a good 10 years to pay back all the money they have borrowed and printed.

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Yes, I agree it’s the dollar that influences the strength of the baht, and my admittedly amateur prediction is based around the fact that the US and the UK are equally devastated by the financial crisis, but so far only the pound has devalued.
I’m betting on the dollar taking a fall in the next six months.
I hope I’m right as my plans to build a house in Hua Hin have already gone from a villa with a pool to a modest bungalow and if the pound goes down much further, I’ll be looking to see if I can afford corrugated tin!
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STEVE G wrote:I hope I’m right as my plans to build a house in Hua Hin have already gone from a villa with a pool to a modest bungalow.............
I think that is the situation for many at the moment that wish to be here, but it's completely out of the question at this exchange rate. 50,000 UK pounds at 70 baht in a pound is 3.5 million baht, at today's rate it's only 2.5 million baht, too much difference. :shock: Even back up to 60 baht in a pound would give you an extra half a million.

I have thought about it(houses) too but not even worth contemplating at that rate. I get the impression that many people are ready to move/act but are just going to have to wait.
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STEVE G wrote:I hope I’m right as my plans to build a house in Hua Hin have already gone from a villa with a pool to a modest bungalow.............
I think that is the situation for many at the moment that wish to be here, but it's completely out of the question at this exchange rate. 50,000 UK pounds at 70 baht in a pound is 3.5 million baht, at today's rate it's only 2.5 million baht, too much difference. :shock: Even back up to 60 baht in a pound would give you an extra half a million.

I have thought about it(houses) too but not even worth contemplating at that rate. I get the impression that many people are ready to move/act but are just going to have to wait.
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Yes not the time to buy property in Thailand at the moment.

Leave your money off shore in a few currencies and good high yield stocks and wait it out.

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STEVE G wrote:After ten minutes on the net over my morning tea, I’m going to predict 59 bt to the pound by September.
There was not too much science involved in this, and it is largely based on an up-beat forecast on sterling that I found on a financial site.
Sorry Steve I go in the other direction towards the 40 baht level. Reason being the UK is heading rapidly towards bankruptcy and no-one wants to take on their debt, one report today predicts a possible further fall in house prices of 55% from todays level.

Europe and Japan are equally in the mire with Europe dithering and unable to get consensus, the Euro will probably plunge in teh next few months against teh greenback.

Japans economy is export driven and collapsing about their knees. They have never recovered from teh "lost" decade and the Yen is no place for investment.

So what about the US, yes it is in trouble probably bankrupt but investors simply have nowhere else to put their money, not the best place these days but probably the least worse. Don't forget Iran tried moving away from teh Dollar a few years back but simply could not find sufficient alternative currency available. The Dollar will continue to rule until the world at large simply does not believe in it, but, in the international banking world, it will take a brave investor to make the first move.

As for "Miked" choosing September can only think that the auspicious date of "090909" comes to haunt us.
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STEVE G wrote:After ten minutes on the net over my morning tea, I’m going to predict 59 bt to the pound by September.
There was not too much science involved in this, and it is largely based on an up-beat forecast on sterling that I found on a financial site.
Sorry Steve I go in the other direction towards the 40 baht level. Reason being the UK is heading rapidly towards bankruptcy and no-one wants to take on their debt, one report today predicts a possible further fall in house prices of 55% from todays level.

Europe and Japan are equally in the mire with Europe dithering and unable to get consensus, the Euro will probably plunge in teh next few months against teh greenback.

Japans economy is export driven and collapsing about their knees. They have never recovered from teh "lost" decade and the Yen is no place for investment.

So what about the US, yes it is in trouble probably bankrupt but investors simply have nowhere else to put their money, not the best place these days but probably the least worse. Don't forget Iran tried moving away from teh Dollar a few years back but simply could not find sufficient alternative currency available. The Dollar will continue to rule until the world at large simply does not believe in it, but, in the international banking world, it will take a brave investor to make the first move.

As for "Miked" choosing September can only think that the auspicious date of "090909" comes to haunt us.
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Good analysis CK,

Thailand has only started to feel the effects of the depression around the World. The Baht may be high at the moment but no one is going to invest here, until the World economy picks up.
The cost of the high Baht, is hurting their export markets.

Investors, as you say, will go for US $ as there is nowhere else to go.

UK GBP is dropping like a stone (interest rates at .50% and no banks are lending to business and the same applies to American business.

What good is a strong Baht when it stifles the export market in Thailand.
The tourist market here is only 6.5% of GDP but the export market is way bigger.
Who was it that said "Export or die"?

The Thai Government need to devalue to around 60-65 Baht to the £ or the holiday and export markets are going to dry up.

Last year the Chinese were looking at tying their currency to the dollar, now they, like other countries are holding tight and not investing overseas.

They have an underlying unemployment rate at around 20 million and many believe that could double.

Think about this, if the cheapest manufacturing country in the World (China) is not making the stuff, it is because the rest of the World is not buying, because it has no funds to buy with.

If countries are not buying cheap goods from China, what hope for Thai exports, which are more expensive due to the strong Baht rate.

Most of the EU countries are in the shit (having to integrate new poor economies of the new EU members, who are all as poor as church mice) and running around like headless chickens, and the Euro is all over the place but may steady if the Governments stop protectionism policies.

Banks around the World, have to start to lend to business soon, or the lot will go down the pan.
It may take bank nationalisation by the larger countries to get it started but the money market must open up, to help get us out of this depression.

If companies cannot get funds for inward investment, that's when they start to fail, and previous loans are called in. This results in redundancies and fire sales, never a good thing.

Let us hope that Obama can get the rest of the World to pull together as unilateral solutions will not work. It will take multilateral action to get us out of this mess.

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Khundon1975 wrote:What good is a strong Baht when it stifles the export market in Thailand.
The Thai Government need to devalue to around 60-65 Baht to the £ or the holiday and export markets are going to dry up.
Not sure they care too much about exports to the UK, doesn't it represent only about 1.7% of Thailand's exports!?
Their main trading partners US, Japan, China, Singapore, HK, Malaysia is what they're concerned about exporrt wise and the Baht has weakened against all of them bar Japan just recently. I would have thought their concerns is the lack of consumer spending.

As far as the Pound goes doubt Thailand's bothered, we need the UK economy to come out of it's recession so the Pound strengthens again.

Just my take on it.

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Super Joe wrote:
Khundon1975 wrote:What good is a strong Baht when it stifles the export market in Thailand.
The Thai Government need to devalue to around 60-65 Baht to the £ or the holiday and export markets are going to dry up.
Not sure they care too much about exports to the UK, doesn't it represent only about 1.7% of Thailand's exports!?
Their main trading partners US, Japan, China, Singapore, HK, Malaysia is what they're concerned about exporrt wise and the Baht has weakened against all of them bar Japan just recently. I would have thought their concerns is the lack of consumer spending.

As far as the Pound goes doubt Thailand's bothered, we need the UK economy to come out of it's recession so the Pound strengthens again.

Just my take on it.

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Sorry I meant it needs to be a lot weaker against the main currencies not just the GBP. It need to weaken a fair bit yet.

No they are not, as you pointed out, really worried about exports to UK but they must be concerned about the recession in their main export markets.

The drop in foreign visitors, could be said to be a barometer, on the change of spending habits of peoples around the World.
If people stop spending on holidays, you can bet they are also cutting back on spending on consumer goods as well, as you said.

I still think the Baht is way to strong and needs to be adjusted soon.

As for the GBP, I think we will have a long wait before the UK gets back on it's feet again.

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Super Joe wrote:
Khundon1975 wrote:What good is a strong Baht when it stifles the export market in Thailand.
The Thai Government need to devalue to around 60-65 Baht to the £ or the holiday and export markets are going to dry up.
Not sure they care too much about exports to the UK, doesn't it represent only about 1.7% of Thailand's exports!?
Their main trading partners US, Japan, China, Singapore, HK, Malaysia is what they're concerned about exporrt wise and the Baht has weakened against all of them bar Japan just recently. I would have thought their concerns is the lack of consumer spending.

As far as the Pound goes doubt Thailand's bothered, we need the UK economy to come out of it's recession so the Pound strengthens again.

Just my take on it.

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I hope you are correct SJ :thumb:
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'The Federal reserve has announced plans to buy 300 billion dollars in Treasury Bonds and increase its purchase of mortgage backed securities.

The effect of the actions will add further money into the financial system in an effort to break a logjam in lending.

By buying bonds, the Fed will push borrowing costs lower for purchases of everything from houses to cars.

Investors assessing the potential downside feel it could weaken the dollar against other currencies'

The dollar has already started to weaken in yesterdays trading and hopefully the Sterling/Bhat rate will improve today
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If the FED is part of the government, how can it buy debt from itself? Err... that must mean...

Hurrah! The penny finally drops. Yes, the FED is NOT part of the government.

I'm sure all Americans are mighty thankful for this private, for-profit corporation, coming to the rescue. Maybe if it was another corporation, say MacDonald's, printing THEIR money, they might more easily twig the scam.

No-one else wants the worthless government bonds (IOUs), so the FED has no choice but to buy them itself, knowing the people will be stiffed for it, anyway, at a later date.

Gotta love freedom and democracy.

Actually it should be said that what the FED is doing is legal. How they got control of printing the US money, when the government could do it itself, without interest, is another story.

Politics aside when it comes to currencies, this chart is significant.

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A 'cup and handle' has formed which means that Gold could be set to take off. (Usually a 20% min move from a breakout can be expected). How does this affect currencies? Currencies are clearly being seen as weak. We are only interested in the play between the UKP, USD and THB. If the THB devalues, you don't want to be in baht. If the pound stays weak and weakens, you don't wish to be in UKP. If the Dollar tanks, you don't want... and so on. What are people doing? Trying to dodge the guesswork and risk by getting into physical assets. Gold of course is the main one.

Goldman Sachs covered their remaining 69 short gold futures positions on the Tokyo Commodity Exchange (TOCOM). They have reduced their position to zero. In May 2006, the GSax position reached 52,000 short gold contracts. Now it is zero.

I don't think we have seen capitulation yet in the markets, so a big downward leg could come as soon as more mug's money has been sucked in.

It's all speculation, of course.
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Gotta love freedom and democracy.
It definitely has its problems, as well as capitalism... but I'm still waiting for someone to come up with better system... :|

I think the one we have would work better if we would hold criminal politicians and corporate fat cats responsible for their actions, but for some reason, that rarely happens. :cuss:

When people like Barney Frank are held accountable for the mess they've made we can have some hope, but don't hold your breath... :wink:
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The sooner the system collapses, the sooner a more equitable one can replace it.

I fail to see how the U.S. is any different to any of the other third world countries that have tried to print money to solve financial problems. Hyper-inflation could come soon and anyone in dollars is going to take a bath. The economy is based on consumption. No consumption, no economy! The Car majors are walking dead. Millions are being made redundant, 4Q2008 GDP was minus 6.2%! The previous qtr was -4%.

The crooks in government are bankers or owned by the bankers. Geithner is a banker harlot, who didn't pay his taxes. Hanky-Panky Paulson worked for Goldman Sachs. The system is incestuous and they are robbing the people to pay off their gambling debts, a giant black hole. Wall St has always been a giant sucking machine, drawing in the world's capital. I lost 95% of my savings to the crooks manipulations such as naked shorting.

You learn the hard way. I'm not bitter, it taught me to take their pronouncements with a pinch of salt. When they say Gold is going down, you know it's going up. When they say the Oil is running out and the price will keep going up, you know there is lots of it and you need to play the short side.

The financial media work together with Wall St to screw us all. When Jim Cramer, the darling of CNBC was screaming for investors to NOT sell Bear Sterns, he was lying through his corrupt teeth. If you'd listened to him you would have lost your shirt.

I don't know what is going to happen but I'm in Gold rather than paper money. All my investments have been liquidated. Life policies, etc.. If there is a run on Life Assurance companies, just try and cash in your policy.

Maybe I'm being overly cautious but 'fool me once, shame on you' Fool me twice, shame on me!' :wink:
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...and what will that more equitable one be, pray tell? :?
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MrPlum wrote:Hurrah! The penny finally drops. Yes, the FED is NOT part of the government.
Chart of who "owns" the Federal Reserve http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

If the Fed’s money comes ultimately from the taxpayers, that means we the taxpayers are paying interest to the banks on the banks’ own reserves – reserves maintained for their own private profit. These increasingly controversial encroachments on the public purse warrant a closer look at the central banking scheme itself. Who owns the Federal Reserve, who actually controls it, where does it get its money, and whose interests is it serving?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=10489
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