Absolutely, this is a "hot" topic, for sure, but once the distillation process regarding this topic is finished you are left with the above quote regardless of personal opinion.buksida wrote:There are no winners in all of this, only more losers, more deaths, more economic damage and more blackening of the name of this beautiful country that we have all chosen to live in or visit.
If you believe the spin, then yes. But then everyone is at it these days. If someone defends their home they are 'terrorists'. If they disagree with your policies, they are 'terrorists'. If you are an Imperial power you fund terrorism and fuel insurrection. If you are Israel, then every Arab is a terrorist. Terror and terrorism are the clubs with which many states are now subjugating their own citizens. You can't be without 'terrorists' today. It's the latest totalitarian fashion.sandman67 wrote:FACT: Thaksin was and still is the single most corrupt, nepotistic, hypocritical and divisive politician this country has ever produced. He has no respect for human rights, the law, or his own countrymen. His junta regime restricted the freedoms of the press, hamstrung checks nad balances set in place to regulate politicians, and carried out mass murder in the name of a phony war on drugs and security measures.
Somebody else we know sits in foreign countries, funds terrorism, and fuels insurrection through remote broadcasts.... Osama Bin Laden. Hes a terrorist too....
I agree, MrS. There is a well established pattern around the world, where 'democracy' or Jacobinsky type revolution has been used to transfer control of populations from genealogical Royal lines, who established stability and who had a certain interest in looking after their flock, to corrupt dictators and self-serving weasel politicians, who are funded and directed by the power of Financial Capital. When 'democracy' doesn't get you the result you want, then you invade, demonize, undermine, coerce and so on until you DO get the result you desire. Mega corporations are one lever/tool as are institutions like the IMF, World Bank, WHO and so on, who enslave nations with debt. There is no need to wage war when destruction of currency will achieve the same result. The U.S. is headed down that path right now.Thaksins plan for Thailand is to make it a big Singapore. Single party rule (his party only) and unbridled nepotism, corruption and capitalism. The total removal of the aristocracy and privy council from political and social influence, or perhaps their permanent removal. He wants to be president for life Thaksin....thats a fact.
As Al Jolson said.... "You Aint Seen Nothing Yet"
So it sounds like from this paragraph that you think there is no terrorism or threat from terrorism. It's all a lie, I guess propagated by someone with an agenda.If you believe the spin, then yes. But then everyone is at it these days. If someone defends their home they are 'terrorists'. If they disagree with your policies, they are 'terrorists'. If you are an Imperial power you fund terrorism and fuel insurrection. If you are Israel, then every Arab is a terrorist. Terror and terrorism are the clubs with which many states are now subjugating their own citizens. You can't be without 'terrorists' today. It's the latest totalitarian fashion.
): I have very little feelings one way or another between "red" and "yellow" and don't really feel it's much of my business since I am not Thai and don't fully understand all the underlying issues and players, but... if Taksin is such a corrupt, bad guy, why did he pay off the IMF loans to this country early to get Thailand out of that debt, and why did he refuse international aid to help the tsunami victims saying that Thailand could handle it themselves, which they seem to have done fairly well (certainly a lot better than Bush, congress, and FEMA handled the hurricane crisis in New Orleans). Surely in these two instances there was an opportunity for a totally corrupt politician to line his own pockets, but on the surface at least, it appears Taksin was doing what was best for the country. He also cleaned up the drug problem, maybe not totally and maybe with heavy handed methods, but at least he tried, and he instituted a health care scheme so that the poor of this country at least have some medical care. That part of the post just got you on the Homeland Security watch list!...soon and the various Thai Police and Military will be shipped off to the democracy-loving 'School of The Americas' to be trained into how to create death squads and assassinate anyone that resists the corporate-owned government... priests, union leaders, politicians and so on.
To counter your comments he also stole taxes on a 2 billion dollar deal that should have gone to the state, enough money that would have bought every province in Thailand a new school and hospital.hhfarang wrote: About everyone's Taksin comments: I have very little feelings one way or another between "red" and "yellow" and don't really feel it's much of my business since I am not Thai and don't fully understand all the underlying issues and players, but... if Taksin is such a corrupt, bad guy, why did he pay off the IMF loans to this country early to get Thailand out of that debt, and why did he refuse international aid to help the tsunami victims saying that Thailand could handle it themselves, which they seem to have done fairly well (certainly a lot better than Bush, congress, and FEMA handled the hurricane crisis in New Orleans). Surely in these two instances there was an opportunity for a totally corrupt politician to line his own pockets, but on the surface at least, it appears Taksin was doing what was best for the country. He also cleaned up the drug problem, maybe not totally and maybe with heavy handed methods, but at least he tried, and he instituted a health care scheme so that the poor of this country at least have some medical care.
Glad to have you participate hh. Better than being ignored.hhfarang wrote:Dammit, you sucked me in again MrP....
Yes and No. Yes. There is an agenda. The almighty and still growing Military Industrial complex has to be fed. One can see that Vietnam has never ended since there has been a steady diet of third world countries that have been at first armed, then invaded. The only thing that is missing is the pretext and they can easily be created.You can't be without 'terrorists' today. It's the latest totalitarian fashion.
So it sounds like from this paragraph that you think there is no terrorism or threat from terrorism. It's all a lie, I guess propagated by someone with an agenda.
What about them? Do a search for 'Mossad embassy bombing' and drown in the results. Search for "World Trade Center bombing FBI" and you'll get the same. As usual, you have to read and make up your own mind.What about 9/11? What about all the embassy bombings around the world before 9/11? What about bombing of the World Trade Center in a failed attempt to bring it down during the '90s. What about the U.S.S. Cole and the bombings in Spain, Italy, and England. What about the piracy off the coast of a lawless (Muslim) country in Africa.
Alas, it is you who seem to be closed to any other opinion. Hard to accept that we are the bad guys, I know. Some just won't have it, their psychological health depends on continuing to drink the government Kool-Aid.No, just go stick your head back in the sand.
Please indicate how many countries Iran has invaded in the last 100 years, then list all the countries the U.S. has invaded. There has been a de facto war against Islam for centuries. The installation of Arab client states shows that progress has been made. Just a few die-hard countries to subjugate, then it's 'Mission Accomplished'. Oops! Didn't Georgie say that?There's no such thing as terrorism... and I know what you will say so before you say it I will answer it. You will probably blame all the Islamic terrorism on Western international policies over the past decades and on the Israel/Palestinian struggle.
Yes. But Islamic countries have made it clear they just wish to be left alone and we won't leave them alone. Since they are under attack from the west, you can understand them using religious fervour and asymmetric war to defend themselves against an enemy with vastly superior firepower. We want their Oil, the Israelis want their land to achieve Ersatz Israel and there are religious, racist and cultural aspects where different civilizations collide. Whether it's the Ottoman Empire, the British Empire, The French or U.S. Empire, all have tried to subjugate Arab lands and used religion to inspire their armies. The Crusades saw a great slaughter of Arabs by invaders. Nothing has changed. The battle continues. We could have used trade and democracy to encourage their development but some countries are so theocratic that it would take a long time. Do we have the right to then invade them just so Coca-Cola can increase its quarterly returns?Unfortunately, Islamic fundamentalist terrorism is here to stay and comes from the origin and teachings of the religion and will continue until the end in some blazing nuclear war.
Good question about paying off the IMF loan early. Perhaps they simply borrowed and paid back in the knowledge that if they defaulted the penalties would be loss of sovereignty, etc.. Was it actually Thaksin alone who paid off the debt or was it a cabinet or Royal imperative?if Taksin is such a corrupt, bad guy, why did he pay off the IMF loans to this country early to get Thailand out of that debt, and why did he refuse international aid to help the tsunami victims saying that Thailand could handle it themselves
It's hardly a secret and has been in the mainstream media many times. The problem for you is, that just for reading this information you are also on the list. When private companies are paid bonuses for every 'dissident' they identify, they will capture as many people as they can in their net. It's a nice little earner in a fascist system. The only way to protect yourself against such an eventuality is to expose it. The more people know the less the perpetrators of evil will get away with. What happened in Bolshevik Russia WILL happen in America, unless people wake up. The security state is being constructed right before our eyes. Yet people foolishly cling onto romantic notions of government honesty, despite daily evidence to the contrary. Crooks, thieves and murderers are running the show. No politician is trusted today and Americans fear their own government.Finally:
...soon and the various Thai Police and Military will be shipped off to the democracy-loving 'School of The Americas' to be trained into how to create death squads and assassinate anyone that resists the corporate-owned government... priests, union leaders, politicians and so on.
That part of the post just got you on the Homeland Security watch list!
I very much doubt it. You'd pop a rib.hhfarang wrote:Islamic countries have made it clear they just wish to be left alone
Sorry,but that one had me rolling on the floor!!!
Sorry MrP, but it does when what's been said is rhetorical, farcical or if it gives the impression that the propergator of such ideas is on drugs,MrPlum wrote:Come on now hh. Mockery doesn't pass for debate .......................
or herbal remedies to a belligerently dismissively extent of all else. 
No idea, as already stated, he had lots of enemies. Some might say he had it coming?sandman67 wrote: Now..... who do you think did it?
Buksida you are absolutely right!buksida wrote:To counter your comments he also stole taxes on a 2 billion dollar deal that should have gone to the state, enough money that would have bought every province in Thailand a new school and hospital.hhfarang wrote: About everyone's Taksin comments: I have very little feelings one way or another between "red" and "yellow" and don't really feel it's much of my business since I am not Thai and don't fully understand all the underlying issues and players, but... if Taksin is such a corrupt, bad guy, why did he pay off the IMF loans to this country early to get Thailand out of that debt, and why did he refuse international aid to help the tsunami victims saying that Thailand could handle it themselves, which they seem to have done fairly well (certainly a lot better than Bush, congress, and FEMA handled the hurricane crisis in New Orleans). Surely in these two instances there was an opportunity for a totally corrupt politician to line his own pockets, but on the surface at least, it appears Taksin was doing what was best for the country. He also cleaned up the drug problem, maybe not totally and maybe with heavy handed methods, but at least he tried, and he instituted a health care scheme so that the poor of this country at least have some medical care.
He executed 2,700 people without trial.
He committed atrocities in the south fueling a problem that was merely under the surface before he came to power.
He made deals with the Burmese junta in order to enrich his own business empire.
He made enough dodgy property deals to make Hua Hin look like Disney land. Now everyone has to suffer the consequent clampdowns because of the Shinawatra family.
Yes he may have thrown a few crumbs to the poor in Issan but today the country is in a far worse state because of this one man, he is the equivalent of a virus that Thailand cannot easily cure.
(Lets keep this topic off US politics and the rest of it and adhere to HHAD's T&C's regarding discussion on monarchy.)
