I'm beginning the believe this country has a curse on it. Pete
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SEATTLE, Washington (CNN) -- What started as a romantic Southeast Asia vacation for a Seattle couple ended with Ryan Kells preparing Friday to return from Bangkok carrying the ashes of his fiancee to give to her family in California.
"It's such a shock," Robert St. Onge told CNN about the death of his sister, Jill, who had been traveling with the man she planned to marry. "There was no way to hear last words or even see her because she has already been cremated."
The couple had been visiting Thailand at the end of a three-month journey during which the two had become engaged.
On April 26 in her online journal, the 27-year-old woman described the surroundings near where the Leonardo Dicaprio movie, "The Beach," was filmed.
"Hey hey! We're in koh phi phi right now. It's off the west coast of Thailand about a 2 hour boat ride from krabi. So amazing... just drinking eating and living so cheaply and having a blast. Food, drink, good books, sun and warm waters... What else do ya need?," St. Onge blogged.
But on May 2, Kells found St. Onge, who had told him earlier that she had not been feeling well, vomiting in their room at the Laleena guesthouse on Phi Phi island. He put her into a shopping cart and searched for help.
"She couldn't breathe. She was vomiting," Kells, 31, told CNN affiliate KGO-TV. "I tried to run her to a hospital and she ended up passing within, maybe, 12 hours of being sick."
Robert St. Onge said his sister had been healthy and that her sudden death is a mystery.
Adding to the mystery is the fact that another tourist, a 22-year-old Norwegian woman, died at the same resort the same weekend, the U.S. Embassy in Thailand said.
The manager of the Laleena guesthouse has said in published reports that he believes the women's deaths came from drinking heavily.
Norwegian media reported that the Norweigan woman could have been a victim of food poisoning. Newspapers in Thailand have questioned whether both women were poisoned, quoting police sources.
In Internet postings on a Web site created to update friends and family on the tragedy, Kells also described feeling ill at the hotel and said that he believed something in their room had made the couple sick.
Kells also said he had spent less time in their room than his fiancee.
The U.S. Embassy in Thailand has been working with the St. Onge family to determine what happened.
"The police know we are concerned about this, but as with any investigation, it could take some time," said embassy spokesman Michael Turner.
Robert St. Onge said Thai authorities told his family that the inquiry could take four to eight weeks. He said his family has been given tissue samples so they can have testing done by an independent laboratory.
At Shadowland, the Seattle, Washington, restaurant where Jill St. Onge used to work as a bartender, a corner of the bar is filled with pictures, candles and postcards from the couple.
"Greetings from Phnom Penh," one from Jill reads, "We love you guys."
Deaths at Thai resort vex family, investigators
Deaths at Thai resort vex family, investigators
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6 months ago another Norwegian, a man on his honeymoon vacation, died after staying at the same hotel.
Something is obviously wrong here.
Police have today again made a search in the hotel, but did not find anything.
The American woman had no traces of alcohol in her blood, and the manager is a SHE.
Something is obviously wrong here.
Police have today again made a search in the hotel, but did not find anything.
Something is very very wrong here.prcscct wrote:
The manager of the Laleena guesthouse has said in published reports that he believes the women's deaths came from drinking heavily.
The American woman had no traces of alcohol in her blood, and the manager is a SHE.
I intend to live forever - so far so good.
Update......
SEATTLE, Washington (CNN) -- A pathologist hired by the family of one of two women whose mysterious deaths in Thailand drew worldwide attention says her "lungs were 100 percent congested," Jill St. Onge's fiancee and brother said.
"He said her lung tissue was gone," said her brother, Robert St. Onge.
The pathologist has not determined what caused her lungs to fail, he said, and a final report on her May 2 death may still be weeks away.
But members of St. Onge's family said they feel the pathologist's findings, though preliminary, are enough to contradict public statements made by Thai investigators that St. Onge was the victim of food poisoning.
"I am 99.9 percent sure she did not die of food poisoning," said Ryan Kells, St. Onge's fiancee, who was with her when she died. "She suffocated to death. I am not a doctor, but I know when someone can't breath."
Kells and St. Onge, both artists from Seattle, were on a three-month vacation through Southeast Asia when they arrived on Thailand's Phi Phi Island.
They had gotten engaged while on the trip and were keeping friends and family up to date with their adventures.
"Having a blast," Jill St. Onge, 27, wrote about the surroundings in a blog dedicated to the couple's travels. "Food, drink, sun and warm waters ... what else do ya need?"
The couple's vacation ended tragically when Kells found his fiancee in their hotel room vomiting and unable to breath. He rushed her to a hospital where she died.
St. Onge was healthy and there was no obvious explanation for her sudden death, her brother said.
Just hours after St. Onge fell ill, Julie Bergheim, a Norwegian tourist who was staying in a room next to St. Onge's at the Laleena Guesthouse, came down with similar symptoms. She also died.
According to Thai media reports, police there are focusing on food poisoning as the cause of the women's deaths. Monday the Phuket Gazette quoted a police commander as saying blood samples from both women indicated possible food poisoning from seafood.
Still, the commander said, those results were only preliminary. "I don't know when the official results will be released," Maj. Gen. Pasin Nokasul told the newspaper. "The lab work [is being] expedited because the embassies of the two tourists want to know the cause of death as soon as possible."
Kells response to Nokasul's statement was harsh.
"That she died of food poisoning is a ridiculous statement to make," he said, adding it is unlikely they would have been "the only ones affected."
Dr. William Hurley, medical director for the Washington Poison Center, is also skeptical that food poisoning could have been responsible. In food poisoning cases, he said, "usually what kills you is the dehydration, not the toxin."
He added, "Food poisoning is not something that typically kills someone this quickly. It takes days."
Ingestion of a variety of chemicals could have caused Onge and Bergheim's sudden deaths, Hurley said, and could be consistent with the condition of Onge's lungs. But without further information, he said, it is impossible to say what killed the two women.
Kells said he thinks something in the hotel where they were where staying made Jill sick. He remembers a "chemical smell" in the room and thinks he avoided becoming ill because he spent less time in the room.
On Saturday, the Phuket Wan newspaper reported that investigators that visited the Laleena Guesthouse, taking samples and removing filters from the air conditioning units in the rooms where both victims had stayed.
Rat Chuped, the owner of the hotel, told the newspaper her property was not to blame. "There is no problem with my guesthouse," she said.
SEATTLE, Washington (CNN) -- A pathologist hired by the family of one of two women whose mysterious deaths in Thailand drew worldwide attention says her "lungs were 100 percent congested," Jill St. Onge's fiancee and brother said.
"He said her lung tissue was gone," said her brother, Robert St. Onge.
The pathologist has not determined what caused her lungs to fail, he said, and a final report on her May 2 death may still be weeks away.
But members of St. Onge's family said they feel the pathologist's findings, though preliminary, are enough to contradict public statements made by Thai investigators that St. Onge was the victim of food poisoning.
"I am 99.9 percent sure she did not die of food poisoning," said Ryan Kells, St. Onge's fiancee, who was with her when she died. "She suffocated to death. I am not a doctor, but I know when someone can't breath."
Kells and St. Onge, both artists from Seattle, were on a three-month vacation through Southeast Asia when they arrived on Thailand's Phi Phi Island.
They had gotten engaged while on the trip and were keeping friends and family up to date with their adventures.
"Having a blast," Jill St. Onge, 27, wrote about the surroundings in a blog dedicated to the couple's travels. "Food, drink, sun and warm waters ... what else do ya need?"
The couple's vacation ended tragically when Kells found his fiancee in their hotel room vomiting and unable to breath. He rushed her to a hospital where she died.
St. Onge was healthy and there was no obvious explanation for her sudden death, her brother said.
Just hours after St. Onge fell ill, Julie Bergheim, a Norwegian tourist who was staying in a room next to St. Onge's at the Laleena Guesthouse, came down with similar symptoms. She also died.
According to Thai media reports, police there are focusing on food poisoning as the cause of the women's deaths. Monday the Phuket Gazette quoted a police commander as saying blood samples from both women indicated possible food poisoning from seafood.
Still, the commander said, those results were only preliminary. "I don't know when the official results will be released," Maj. Gen. Pasin Nokasul told the newspaper. "The lab work [is being] expedited because the embassies of the two tourists want to know the cause of death as soon as possible."
Kells response to Nokasul's statement was harsh.
"That she died of food poisoning is a ridiculous statement to make," he said, adding it is unlikely they would have been "the only ones affected."
Dr. William Hurley, medical director for the Washington Poison Center, is also skeptical that food poisoning could have been responsible. In food poisoning cases, he said, "usually what kills you is the dehydration, not the toxin."
He added, "Food poisoning is not something that typically kills someone this quickly. It takes days."
Ingestion of a variety of chemicals could have caused Onge and Bergheim's sudden deaths, Hurley said, and could be consistent with the condition of Onge's lungs. But without further information, he said, it is impossible to say what killed the two women.
Kells said he thinks something in the hotel where they were where staying made Jill sick. He remembers a "chemical smell" in the room and thinks he avoided becoming ill because he spent less time in the room.
On Saturday, the Phuket Wan newspaper reported that investigators that visited the Laleena Guesthouse, taking samples and removing filters from the air conditioning units in the rooms where both victims had stayed.
Rat Chuped, the owner of the hotel, told the newspaper her property was not to blame. "There is no problem with my guesthouse," she said.
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I know this sounds daft but thats what happens when you breathe in poison gas like chlorine or hydrogen sulphide, but surely that would leave residue in the lungs and tissues that is easily detectable. Chlorine exposure also tends to bleach your skin, and HS exposure causes burns. CO2 perhaps?
the fact that two adjacent rooms were hit at the same time is also curious.
Id start by swabbing the air con units - any chemicals in the air would leave traces there - and look at where they are situated on the outside of the building....ie can someone get access to them.
Id also go look at what the owners use to clean the place.....but by now my money would be on the owner having already disposed of any suspect stuff. Some cleaning solvents are evil stuff.
does seem like a bad year to visit LOS tho
the fact that two adjacent rooms were hit at the same time is also curious.
Id start by swabbing the air con units - any chemicals in the air would leave traces there - and look at where they are situated on the outside of the building....ie can someone get access to them.
Id also go look at what the owners use to clean the place.....but by now my money would be on the owner having already disposed of any suspect stuff. Some cleaning solvents are evil stuff.
does seem like a bad year to visit LOS tho
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Sorry to say this because i feel sorry for their families but this is TIT as we always say. First keep everything under the blanket and then come out with results that everyone can keep face.
When i heard of the too much alcohol, followed by food poisoning, i just thought what the hell are they trying to tell.
They will simply never understand that a real investigation with honest results helps the family and Koh Phi Phi more then this. Who will go to this island at the moment and who will in the future?
When i heard of the too much alcohol, followed by food poisoning, i just thought what the hell are they trying to tell.
They will simply never understand that a real investigation with honest results helps the family and Koh Phi Phi more then this. Who will go to this island at the moment and who will in the future?