Super Joe was about right, along with Mr Lev, rhetorically, in this situation regarding this outlet of media.
I don't want to sound apethetic but it will be very hard to recoup your expenditure without spending a lot more money and that's if you know the right people.
Good luck!
Need to find an honest lawyer
Lev
Lev, I thank you for your comments, but I sincerely hope that you will not pull this post. I have not named or shamed - and you will note that I have gone to great lengths not to do so.
But this is a very real situation for me, and whilst seeking any support from HHAD forum members, I also hope that I am at the same time making them consider my issue when they next deal with their 'lawyer' in HH, whoever that may be.
I did spend a good deal of time HH, spanning 6 years, and met some wonderful people who were very willing to help and support me when I finally moved there. Perhaps it is just me and my mind-set, and perhaps I fell too easily into trusting people (well, obviously not 'perhaps' - I know now that I 'did'). 'Live and Learn' comes to mind?
I am so saddened to have left that country - trusting those there, whom I thought I could trust, only to find that I was duped by quite a number, not just this lawyer. I never thought I could be. I thought I was quite worldly-wise. How wrong could I have been?
Whilst I might be on a personal mission now to seek advice and support for my predicament, at the same time I don't want anyone other naiive person to be as stupid as I. One of them/you may well have been one of those lovely people who did make my time there so wonderful.
That all said, I do still need advice as to what I can do from here?
But this is a very real situation for me, and whilst seeking any support from HHAD forum members, I also hope that I am at the same time making them consider my issue when they next deal with their 'lawyer' in HH, whoever that may be.
I did spend a good deal of time HH, spanning 6 years, and met some wonderful people who were very willing to help and support me when I finally moved there. Perhaps it is just me and my mind-set, and perhaps I fell too easily into trusting people (well, obviously not 'perhaps' - I know now that I 'did'). 'Live and Learn' comes to mind?
I am so saddened to have left that country - trusting those there, whom I thought I could trust, only to find that I was duped by quite a number, not just this lawyer. I never thought I could be. I thought I was quite worldly-wise. How wrong could I have been?
Whilst I might be on a personal mission now to seek advice and support for my predicament, at the same time I don't want anyone other naiive person to be as stupid as I. One of them/you may well have been one of those lovely people who did make my time there so wonderful.
That all said, I do still need advice as to what I can do from here?
Don't trust--pls spend time to acknowledge who is who!!
I have been reading this HHAD for many years, this is the first time that i sign in and post!!
I do sorry to hear about that bad lawyer and situation that happened to Wobit. No matter whoever he is.....
I do understand how you feel. I have met so many foreigners trusted to those who are not suppost to trust in Thailand!! Such as some kind of lawyers or some kind of ladies!!
The example that i shall raise were happened abt 8 years ago. honesty farang couple had transfered money from abroad to the Thai lawyer account (she set up the lawyer's firm with another farang) She said she was going to manage all paper work and etc. The couple trusted her as she is a lawyer!! She was seem very reliable....But when the couple arrived Huahin, they could not get the land and house (Bought by company's name) But they already paid the money to the lawyer app 4 mb. through bank!! How much should cost now for that value.
The couple did the court processes, it took app 7 yrs till the third court but seem not even one in forth to get those money back, as she said she had no money or anythings (believe that she transfered those assets to relative already) She is in jail now (she did cheat to many!!) However guess only this farang spend time and effort to get her in jail when nearly 6 yrs passby then she was in jail with a little money paid .... it was happen with "trusting and believing" ( Her son was studing about law to be a lawyer too!! Then beware....
By the way, far expectation nowaday, many cases occors by farang to farang.... Very sad.
Hopefully only good and honesty people stay in Huahin!!
Cheers,
I do sorry to hear about that bad lawyer and situation that happened to Wobit. No matter whoever he is.....
I do understand how you feel. I have met so many foreigners trusted to those who are not suppost to trust in Thailand!! Such as some kind of lawyers or some kind of ladies!!
The example that i shall raise were happened abt 8 years ago. honesty farang couple had transfered money from abroad to the Thai lawyer account (she set up the lawyer's firm with another farang) She said she was going to manage all paper work and etc. The couple trusted her as she is a lawyer!! She was seem very reliable....But when the couple arrived Huahin, they could not get the land and house (Bought by company's name) But they already paid the money to the lawyer app 4 mb. through bank!! How much should cost now for that value.
The couple did the court processes, it took app 7 yrs till the third court but seem not even one in forth to get those money back, as she said she had no money or anythings (believe that she transfered those assets to relative already) She is in jail now (she did cheat to many!!) However guess only this farang spend time and effort to get her in jail when nearly 6 yrs passby then she was in jail with a little money paid .... it was happen with "trusting and believing" ( Her son was studing about law to be a lawyer too!! Then beware....
By the way, far expectation nowaday, many cases occors by farang to farang.... Very sad.
Hopefully only good and honesty people stay in Huahin!!
Cheers,
Well, I do have one suggestion; You could write a letter to the editor of Bangkok Post or, perhaps even better one of the local Hua Hin English language publications. It should be possible to describe the case without mentioning his name, as you have done above. When he sees that he may come around....Justs to "protect his good reputation"...
A friend is only one click away
Let's make the better community..
Yes, Agree with Lung per
Make Huahin being as a good place and for good people to live!!
Bangkok post for wider spread and local newspaper would be more specify nice to those foreigner to aware and know what was happened around town... then spread word of mouth... It is really happen!!
Let's make the better community... in Huahin and save the people...
Make Huahin being as a good place and for good people to live!!
Bangkok post for wider spread and local newspaper would be more specify nice to those foreigner to aware and know what was happened around town... then spread word of mouth... It is really happen!!
Let's make the better community... in Huahin and save the people...
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Thanks
My thanks to all of you. Many have PM'd with advice, and I am grateful. One message told me that whilst I cannot post/name/shame on the main forum - reasons for which I totally understand - I can however do so in a private message.
When I foolishly handed POA to this lawyer, with an agreement that he would send all sale proceeds to me, I clearly recall him saying (and probably the comment which added to me feeling secure to do so) "I can do it all for you, no problem, because I could not afford to loose my reputation."
Well, after nine months, with no contact from him since last November, I can no longer worry about his reputation. My only concern has been - and of course remains - the desire to get the remaining 1 mil-plus baht out of him. As far as I now see it, he doesn't actually deserve to have a good reputation. Not sure if I have already posted this, so sorry if repeating myself, but my last communciation from him, Nov 2008, said (via a psuedonym email box):
"I am sorry that if you plan to take any legal action to us. I will keep it running and maybe you have to pay more to the lawyer. We still want to survive and run the business. We don't want something to hurt both of us. Please give us a chance. You know who am I."
No hint of remorse, no explanation, no apology. I saw that as little more than a threat - to 'keep it running' - at my further expense!
Well, it is now June 2009 and I have heard nothing more directly from him since that email. Friends over there have attempted to mediate - Thai style - on my behalf, but to no avail. I still am getting no response from him, and all they have been getting is a further string of lies, delays, excuses and more lies.
Therefore, assuming that the poster who said I can PM the name if requested is correct about that (and can someone/moderator please confirm that that is actually correct) then I am happy to pass the name on via PM in order to assist others. Albeit, I appreciate that most of you would not have been as stupid as I!!
As my long-since-passed Gran would be saying: "I'd have 'is guts for garters!" I think that is where my head is right now over this - quite happy to 'garter' his reputation.
Again my thanks to those of you who have responded to my post. Please keep any ideas coming.
When I foolishly handed POA to this lawyer, with an agreement that he would send all sale proceeds to me, I clearly recall him saying (and probably the comment which added to me feeling secure to do so) "I can do it all for you, no problem, because I could not afford to loose my reputation."
Well, after nine months, with no contact from him since last November, I can no longer worry about his reputation. My only concern has been - and of course remains - the desire to get the remaining 1 mil-plus baht out of him. As far as I now see it, he doesn't actually deserve to have a good reputation. Not sure if I have already posted this, so sorry if repeating myself, but my last communciation from him, Nov 2008, said (via a psuedonym email box):
"I am sorry that if you plan to take any legal action to us. I will keep it running and maybe you have to pay more to the lawyer. We still want to survive and run the business. We don't want something to hurt both of us. Please give us a chance. You know who am I."
No hint of remorse, no explanation, no apology. I saw that as little more than a threat - to 'keep it running' - at my further expense!
Well, it is now June 2009 and I have heard nothing more directly from him since that email. Friends over there have attempted to mediate - Thai style - on my behalf, but to no avail. I still am getting no response from him, and all they have been getting is a further string of lies, delays, excuses and more lies.
Therefore, assuming that the poster who said I can PM the name if requested is correct about that (and can someone/moderator please confirm that that is actually correct) then I am happy to pass the name on via PM in order to assist others. Albeit, I appreciate that most of you would not have been as stupid as I!!
As my long-since-passed Gran would be saying: "I'd have 'is guts for garters!" I think that is where my head is right now over this - quite happy to 'garter' his reputation.
Again my thanks to those of you who have responded to my post. Please keep any ideas coming.
There's nothing inherently wrong in your passing on information by PM as long as you do so in response to a member's request.
However, that PM, or any reply, cannot be reproduced on the public forum, nor can it be sent unsolicited to other members.
Take a look at the T&Cs for guidance on PMs.
If you're in any doubt, I'd suggest you PM Admin (Lev) first.
However, that PM, or any reply, cannot be reproduced on the public forum, nor can it be sent unsolicited to other members.
Take a look at the T&Cs for guidance on PMs.
If you're in any doubt, I'd suggest you PM Admin (Lev) first.
For Lomuarmart
Thanks for the clarification, Lomuarmart. I think I have complied appropriately.
Hope you are all enjoying the sunshine there - still waiting for 'summer' here! Will someone please go and have a leg massage for me, then tell me how it was. I do miss those!
Hope you are all enjoying the sunshine there - still waiting for 'summer' here! Will someone please go and have a leg massage for me, then tell me how it was. I do miss those!
If the case is as plain as you make out (and I've no reason to doubt you)and seeing as you're out of Thailand and away from any chance of retribution, I would get on with naming and shaming with all my power.
It's against the terms and conditions of this site, but there are plenty of other outlets and I would even consider taking out advertising space in local papers.
You could even be diplomatic to start with and plainly state the facts and invite him to sort out the misunderstanding.
It's against the terms and conditions of this site, but there are plenty of other outlets and I would even consider taking out advertising space in local papers.
You could even be diplomatic to start with and plainly state the facts and invite him to sort out the misunderstanding.
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I think you have already wasted too much time.
I strongly suggest that you need to move on in a positive way and that is to take up one of the above offers of a recommended Bangkok law firm ( strong in litigation), then phone them and put the situation to them. They can then give you some idea of what your chances are for recovery, the time scale and what their costs could be depending which course of action is taken.
I strongly suggest that you need to move on in a positive way and that is to take up one of the above offers of a recommended Bangkok law firm ( strong in litigation), then phone them and put the situation to them. They can then give you some idea of what your chances are for recovery, the time scale and what their costs could be depending which course of action is taken.
To all who have PM'd me
Hi all, many many thanks for the helpful and supportive comments.
However, many of you have PM'd me, and I have replied to all messages. Some it appears have gone - as they are shown in my sent box. There are, however, a further five replies that do not appear to have gone anywhere - and I found them in the 'Outbox'. So please can anyone tell me how to get them out of 'Out' and send them to the intended recipients?
Additonally, messages to sent to me a few days ag - which I opened and read, a few of those have arrived a second time. What am I doing wrong?
Please bear with me those waiting for a reply - I am trying!
However, many of you have PM'd me, and I have replied to all messages. Some it appears have gone - as they are shown in my sent box. There are, however, a further five replies that do not appear to have gone anywhere - and I found them in the 'Outbox'. So please can anyone tell me how to get them out of 'Out' and send them to the intended recipients?
Additonally, messages to sent to me a few days ag - which I opened and read, a few of those have arrived a second time. What am I doing wrong?
Please bear with me those waiting for a reply - I am trying!
For Big Boy
Thank you, Big Boy. I was beginning to get worried that people were not receiving them and thus assuming that I had ignored all of their messages to me.
But to be sure, anyone who is awaiting a response and hasn't received one, do let me know and I will try again.
PET - thanks for the advice, but what yu have suggested is what I am actually trying to do now - after 9 months of trying to do it the Thai way - negotiation, mediation, with everyone trying to keep the smile on their face whilst doing so etc. I can't pussy-foot any more.
I began this post by asking if anyone could recommend a reliable lawyer. I have already contacted some of the larger law firms based in BKK - but their fees are very 'international'. Just to look at my evidence - which would take an hour at most - if that - they say they want 20,000 baht. Then for a demand letter to be written ( to start to make the whole situtation official now - Thai patient style not having produced anything), a further 10,000. The rates I am being quoted are larger than I would pay to a UK lawyer. I would just like a recommendation for someone cheaper - if such is known.
A court case is unrealisic due to the timescale and the costs. Whilst I have all the evidence required to prove outright 'theft' of this money, I know very little about the judicial system there, and to what extent 'justice for a ferang' will prevail in any event.
I have received some alternative suggestions from those who have kindly PM'd me, and am grateful for those; they have given me further food for thought.
But to be sure, anyone who is awaiting a response and hasn't received one, do let me know and I will try again.
PET - thanks for the advice, but what yu have suggested is what I am actually trying to do now - after 9 months of trying to do it the Thai way - negotiation, mediation, with everyone trying to keep the smile on their face whilst doing so etc. I can't pussy-foot any more.
I began this post by asking if anyone could recommend a reliable lawyer. I have already contacted some of the larger law firms based in BKK - but their fees are very 'international'. Just to look at my evidence - which would take an hour at most - if that - they say they want 20,000 baht. Then for a demand letter to be written ( to start to make the whole situtation official now - Thai patient style not having produced anything), a further 10,000. The rates I am being quoted are larger than I would pay to a UK lawyer. I would just like a recommendation for someone cheaper - if such is known.
A court case is unrealisic due to the timescale and the costs. Whilst I have all the evidence required to prove outright 'theft' of this money, I know very little about the judicial system there, and to what extent 'justice for a ferang' will prevail in any event.
I have received some alternative suggestions from those who have kindly PM'd me, and am grateful for those; they have given me further food for thought.