OK Wobit you have moved on.
I am surprised at the estimated costs because they equate to an hourly rate of a partner in a major London law firm.
However it would seem that £500 would get you the knowledge of what you can do and achieve as well as sending the HH (lawyer?) a blast that because it is from a powerful Bangkok firm might well put 'the fear of God' into him.
I do think you need to show power and strength at this time.
Good luck
Need to find an honest lawyer
Re: For Big Boy
Sorry this doesn't help you much but your hear this a lot about Thai law firms being expensive. The prices are high, and rightly so because they are an International firm with international staff, they are not a 100% Thai staffed company. Whether you spoke to a Thai or not they would be quoting you a Western lawyer with a Thai lawyer shadowing him performing all the work the Westerner can not do under the FBA and the court proceedinds that are written and spoken in Thai language. This expat lawyer may be getting paid 50-100% more than he would back home. Just as us two-bob engineers got in Hong Kong, mates do in Indonesia, Malaysia etc.Wobit wrote:I began this post by asking if anyone could recommend a reliable lawyer. I have already contacted some of the larger law firms based in BKK - but their fees are very 'international'. The rates I am being quoted are larger than I would pay to a UK lawyer.
You can find a cheaper all Thai law firm but they will drag it out longer and fleece you that way for a similar amount.
I've witnessed countless situations where the Foreign lawyer here has stated something from the law codes and turned to their partner/Thai lawyer for clarification, the Thai turns red and says he'll check it out in the books. Some of it even I had read about before and knew the answer.
With the greatest of respect, Surely you've learn't this lesson already.Wobit wrote:I would just like a recommendation for someone cheaper - if such is known.
Best of luck,
SJ
I've mentioned before that The British Embassy gave me a number of recommended lawyers, one of which I went to. They were all Thai and the lawyer spoke good English.
I think it cost me around 3,000 THB for the initial consultation of two hours. It would have got seriously more expensive if court work had been necessary.
So, contact your Embassy. You might be pleasantly surprised - at least to start off with.
I think it cost me around 3,000 THB for the initial consultation of two hours. It would have got seriously more expensive if court work had been necessary.
So, contact your Embassy. You might be pleasantly surprised - at least to start off with.
Update
Cold comfort I know - but some comfort at least - have learned I am not the only recipient of such a 'professional' service (and thus I am not a lone idiot in falling for the 'you can trust me, my reputation and my safe client account'). I have learned of another European who has had a similar experience (same lawyer) -not as much as I have lost, but enough that his plan is to 'sort it himself' with a more 'hands-on approach'! I didn't ask for a translation; thought it best not to know.
Don't fancy the 'hands-on' method personally, albeit totally appreciate the sentiment. After watching Bangkok Hilton, made a firm decision to remain an ace coward.
Meanwhile, a few wheels in motion based upon the ideas/names many of you have suggested via your PMs. If I get anywhere with any of them, I shall let you know - and will owe you a beer or two. Watch this space.
Thanks again to all - and hope rains aren't too heavy this year.
Don't fancy the 'hands-on' method personally, albeit totally appreciate the sentiment. After watching Bangkok Hilton, made a firm decision to remain an ace coward.
Meanwhile, a few wheels in motion based upon the ideas/names many of you have suggested via your PMs. If I get anywhere with any of them, I shall let you know - and will owe you a beer or two. Watch this space.
Thanks again to all - and hope rains aren't too heavy this year.
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Have you tried Siam Legal in Market Village. Or one of the lawyers listed on the British Embassy website.
You would be well advised to go to lawyers in Bangkok, for the reasons stated by many on this thread.
As to Notary costs, I followed up the recommendation on this thread and went to P & A on 2nd Floor (Old) Supermarket building and was charged a total of Bht1,000 for two documents in this past week.
As to Notary costs, I followed up the recommendation on this thread and went to P & A on 2nd Floor (Old) Supermarket building and was charged a total of Bht1,000 for two documents in this past week.
where is this old supermarket???????????? the square they took down some weeks ago? so what is the exact address/location?PET wrote:You would be well advised to go to lawyers in Bangkok, for the reasons stated by many on this thread.
As to Notary costs, I followed up the recommendation on this thread and went to P & A on 2nd Floor (Old) Supermarket building and was charged a total of Bht1,000 for two documents in this past week.
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Next to the square that has been knocked down there is a narrow soi with lots of cars and motorcycles parked, the building the cars are parked in front of is the supermarket - you can enter from the side entrance in the soi (up some steps between the cars) or use the main entrance on the main road. Both entrances are a little deceptive, seeming like a small shopfront, but once inside it's a long narrow building with escalators up to the other floors.
Went to Siamlegal for a lease on property, a simple one. They quoted a rather outrageous price and when I questioned them about it they said that was because it was in both Thai and English.
Told them didn't need it in thai only english. They said no change same price. needless to say we did not use them.
Told them didn't need it in thai only english. They said no change same price. needless to say we did not use them.
Hi Norm,
Agree with that in principle, but there's subtle wording I have noticed a couple of times within lease contracts drawn up by the 40k lawyers compared to ones drawn up by your 20k lawyers.
It's not that they omit to add in the clauses not covered by standard lease law it's the actual wording of the clause which, on the face of it, does not jump out at you.
A good example is the clause allowing the lessee to sub-lease or assign the leased land, basically selling on, extract of the clause:
"The Lessor hereby agrees to allow the Lessee's to sub-lease or assign the leased land, subject to prior approval of the subrogee or assignee, by the Lessor. The rights and obligations of this Agreement shall be given to the subrogee or assignee."
Those two words 'subject to' should say 'without', which in certain circumstances could make all the difference between you being able to sell your property after 6 months of finally finding a buyer, or having to start a 2 year court case instead. There's other examples too.
General comment, not to Norm, sure you can save a few relative Baht and not get 'ripped off' by these greedy farang lawyers, as people like to say ........ but !!!!
I'm not suggesting the same thing could not happen in reverse and that they're all spot on, but I've seen this a couple of times now.
SJ
Agree with that in principle, but there's subtle wording I have noticed a couple of times within lease contracts drawn up by the 40k lawyers compared to ones drawn up by your 20k lawyers.
It's not that they omit to add in the clauses not covered by standard lease law it's the actual wording of the clause which, on the face of it, does not jump out at you.
A good example is the clause allowing the lessee to sub-lease or assign the leased land, basically selling on, extract of the clause:
"The Lessor hereby agrees to allow the Lessee's to sub-lease or assign the leased land, subject to prior approval of the subrogee or assignee, by the Lessor. The rights and obligations of this Agreement shall be given to the subrogee or assignee."
Those two words 'subject to' should say 'without', which in certain circumstances could make all the difference between you being able to sell your property after 6 months of finally finding a buyer, or having to start a 2 year court case instead. There's other examples too.
General comment, not to Norm, sure you can save a few relative Baht and not get 'ripped off' by these greedy farang lawyers, as people like to say ........ but !!!!
I'm not suggesting the same thing could not happen in reverse and that they're all spot on, but I've seen this a couple of times now.
SJ
So so so sorry to hear stories like this. So sorry for those involved!
Look. Research-research-research!!!!
I will most likely do business in HH before long. AND, like anyone I could lose my ass. I enter into such an endevor knowing full well that I could end up as above. And thats how I could end up HERE! And have!
So, researching your target town, it's people (residents or otherwise), and the state of biz and law is JOB 1!
I know that this doesn't help those who have lost now. However, without Thai family..and even with, you lost and you should just call it lost.
It is not your home. It does not play by our legal or ethical rules. It is what it is. Sorry. You blew it. I've done it too, elsewhere.
Wont do it there.
Choerk dee!
Look. Research-research-research!!!!
I will most likely do business in HH before long. AND, like anyone I could lose my ass. I enter into such an endevor knowing full well that I could end up as above. And thats how I could end up HERE! And have!
So, researching your target town, it's people (residents or otherwise), and the state of biz and law is JOB 1!
I know that this doesn't help those who have lost now. However, without Thai family..and even with, you lost and you should just call it lost.
It is not your home. It does not play by our legal or ethical rules. It is what it is. Sorry. You blew it. I've done it too, elsewhere.
Wont do it there.
Choerk dee!
