My ACV Results
Doctors are the worst. They suffer the most indoctrination and as a result, the most fury.richard wrote:MrPlum
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You can't beat the sceptics
I do feel sorry for the skeptics. Not for their obvious ignorance but that, when you have such a blinkered view, what are you going to do when you get sick? When you have one of the myriad of diseases that Doctors today cannot fix, only manage or make worse, what are you going to do?
Those with an open mind will investigate alternatives. They may have to go through 20 different 'quack' therapies until they find one that works but they have hope, and may actually succeed. Or they simply start to take responsibility for their own health and fix themselves. Those, with the kind of mindset being displayed here, are, to put it mildly 'screwed'. They will suffer or go to an early grave never knowing that there are choices available to them. They will cling to their '7 years of training' and their 'The Doctor knows best' indoctrination and they will imbibe all the books on 'quackery' and they will die or suffer, defending their beliefs.
I do agree with the skeptics sometimes and in fact unmask 'quacks' myself. For instance. In the article, the good Doctor 'observed farm animals cure themselves of illnesses by resting, fasting and eating herbs'.
This is the most blatant quackery I've ever come across. When asked which animals were 'curing themselves', the good Doctor sheepishly replied...
'Ducks'.
"Let no one who has the slightest desire to live in peace and quietness be tempted, under any circumstances, to enter upon the chivalrous task of trying to correct a popular error."---William Thoms
I am skeptical (of everything!). The hard knocks of life (especially since moving here) have taught me to be that way, but I do not have a closed mind and I will try something if it sounds like it makes sense through other's experiences as I did the ACV.
MrP has given me some other alternatives to think about and I will certainly do that. Thanks MrP!
However, I believe some things are hereditary and one has little choice but to just manage the symptoms. That is possibly why the ACV works for others but not for me. I say this because I've had my ailments most of my adult life. They started before my bad habits started or had time to do damage. My mother has the same big three I have and has had them most of her adult life... high blood pressure, asthma, high cholesterol... so I believe that I am predisposed to all three and that it's possible that they cannot be cured, but only managed.
I also believe that some of those hereditary things must be offset in the "good" genes of the same family somewhat because my mother is 93 years old and doesn't appear to be in any danger of passing from these things any time soon.
BTW, My father died at 76 due to a massive stroke caused by a clogged carotid artery and he never tested high for cholesterol in his life... so go figure!
MrP has given me some other alternatives to think about and I will certainly do that. Thanks MrP!
However, I believe some things are hereditary and one has little choice but to just manage the symptoms. That is possibly why the ACV works for others but not for me. I say this because I've had my ailments most of my adult life. They started before my bad habits started or had time to do damage. My mother has the same big three I have and has had them most of her adult life... high blood pressure, asthma, high cholesterol... so I believe that I am predisposed to all three and that it's possible that they cannot be cured, but only managed.
I also believe that some of those hereditary things must be offset in the "good" genes of the same family somewhat because my mother is 93 years old and doesn't appear to be in any danger of passing from these things any time soon.
BTW, My father died at 76 due to a massive stroke caused by a clogged carotid artery and he never tested high for cholesterol in his life... so go figure!
My brain is like an Internet browser; 12 tabs are open and 5 of them are not responding, there's a GIF playing in an endless loop,... and where is that annoying music coming from?
HHFarang - I applaud your open-mindedness. The trial with ACV failed but you are still prepared to consider other natural recipes. I only wish some other posters had a similar attitude.
As I have understood Mr. Plum's postings, he has supplied information for readers to do their own research and for them to decide for themselves what to do or not to do. He writes with a passion and, by his own admission, often writes in such a way to provoke a reaction. This is not a defense of Mr. Plum - IMO he does not need defending.
I fail to understand why some wish to detract from the usefulness of this subject and post what amount to personal attacks. We are adults and are capable of deciding what is good for us.
It is possible to be skeptical and express opposition without being abusive.
As I have understood Mr. Plum's postings, he has supplied information for readers to do their own research and for them to decide for themselves what to do or not to do. He writes with a passion and, by his own admission, often writes in such a way to provoke a reaction. This is not a defense of Mr. Plum - IMO he does not need defending.
I fail to understand why some wish to detract from the usefulness of this subject and post what amount to personal attacks. We are adults and are capable of deciding what is good for us.
It is possible to be skeptical and express opposition without being abusive.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein
MrP, you talk about people not having an 'open mind' and having 'blinkered views' with regard medicine and health issues, from what I've read you have expressed these more than anyone, and on what seems a daily basis.
The other day you posted about looking up the word 'hypocrite', take a look in the mirror Sir.
SJ
The other day you posted about looking up the word 'hypocrite', take a look in the mirror Sir.
SJ
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When doctors train they are not only taught cures they look into cause (diagnose) effect (action to be taken) prognosis (what possibly will happen)
The following is advise offered by mrplum who with any qualifications or seen the person felt fit to offer.
If his brain was starved of oxygen, which seems to be the case, then it's important to get circulation and oxygen back up there to aid recovery.
The 'Thai Herbal' suggests using Gotu kola ('Bua Bok'), Cayenne, and Gingko Biloba (can take as a tea). These have been used to treat conditions such as Alzheimers. Neem ('Sadao') is an excellent all rounder and one of the best herbs in the herbal kingdom. Add 'Ja Lewk Tai Bai' to protect and support the liver.
It starts with the word if, NO DIAGNOSIS
Since 80% of the immune system is in the colon, a colon cleanse might also be helpful. I've seen many people come out of depression just by cleansing. A quickie cleanse can be done cheaply at San Paulo.
It states might be helpful.
Some approaches to "detoxification" are based on notions that, as a result of intestinal stasis, intestinal contents putrefy, and toxins are formed and absorbed, which causes chronic poisoning of the body. This "autointoxication" theory was popular around the turn of the century but was abandoned by the scientific community during the 1930s. No such "toxins" have ever been found, and careful observations have shown that individuals in good health can vary greatly in bowel habits. Quacks may also suggest that fecal material collects on the lining of the intestine and causes trouble unless removed by laxatives, colonic irrigation, special diets, and/or various herbs or food supplements that "cleanse" the body. The falsity of this notion is obvious to doctors who perform intestinal surgery or peer within the large intestine with a diagnostic instrument. Fecal material does not adhere to the intestinal lining. Colonic irrigation is done by inserting a tube into the rectum and pumping up to 20 gallons of water in and out. This type of enema is not only therapeutically worthless but can cause fatal electrolyte imbalance. Cases of death due to intestinal perforation and infection (from contaminated equipment) have also been reported.
Even worse a quickie cleanse at sao polo yup when my ferrari goes wrong I will take it into a cheap garage
If anyone is visiting/seeing him regularly, they can collect the tincture, which I will get from my Thai 'friend' or they might wish to find their own herbalist. Only concern is if he is taking blood thinners
My thai friend another unqualified person?
undoubtably if I could be bothered I would find more.
I am not qualified nor is mr plum but I never would suggest the things he does.
As to his ridiculing the use of the knife in medicine, it is not called a knife is is a scalpel, and thanks to the skilled use of this my fathers life was saved twice.
Finally this is not medical advise but maybe it will help, four of your favourite treatments at the same time mr plum
1. Take a pint of ACV. Herbal (supposedly)
The following three al at the same time
2. Stick your head between your legs (yoga)
3. Give yourself a colon cleanse (no idea of the benefit)
4 do your laughing yoga
The following is advise offered by mrplum who with any qualifications or seen the person felt fit to offer.
If his brain was starved of oxygen, which seems to be the case, then it's important to get circulation and oxygen back up there to aid recovery.
The 'Thai Herbal' suggests using Gotu kola ('Bua Bok'), Cayenne, and Gingko Biloba (can take as a tea). These have been used to treat conditions such as Alzheimers. Neem ('Sadao') is an excellent all rounder and one of the best herbs in the herbal kingdom. Add 'Ja Lewk Tai Bai' to protect and support the liver.
It starts with the word if, NO DIAGNOSIS
Since 80% of the immune system is in the colon, a colon cleanse might also be helpful. I've seen many people come out of depression just by cleansing. A quickie cleanse can be done cheaply at San Paulo.
It states might be helpful.
Some approaches to "detoxification" are based on notions that, as a result of intestinal stasis, intestinal contents putrefy, and toxins are formed and absorbed, which causes chronic poisoning of the body. This "autointoxication" theory was popular around the turn of the century but was abandoned by the scientific community during the 1930s. No such "toxins" have ever been found, and careful observations have shown that individuals in good health can vary greatly in bowel habits. Quacks may also suggest that fecal material collects on the lining of the intestine and causes trouble unless removed by laxatives, colonic irrigation, special diets, and/or various herbs or food supplements that "cleanse" the body. The falsity of this notion is obvious to doctors who perform intestinal surgery or peer within the large intestine with a diagnostic instrument. Fecal material does not adhere to the intestinal lining. Colonic irrigation is done by inserting a tube into the rectum and pumping up to 20 gallons of water in and out. This type of enema is not only therapeutically worthless but can cause fatal electrolyte imbalance. Cases of death due to intestinal perforation and infection (from contaminated equipment) have also been reported.
Even worse a quickie cleanse at sao polo yup when my ferrari goes wrong I will take it into a cheap garage
If anyone is visiting/seeing him regularly, they can collect the tincture, which I will get from my Thai 'friend' or they might wish to find their own herbalist. Only concern is if he is taking blood thinners
My thai friend another unqualified person?
undoubtably if I could be bothered I would find more.
I am not qualified nor is mr plum but I never would suggest the things he does.
As to his ridiculing the use of the knife in medicine, it is not called a knife is is a scalpel, and thanks to the skilled use of this my fathers life was saved twice.
Finally this is not medical advise but maybe it will help, four of your favourite treatments at the same time mr plum
1. Take a pint of ACV. Herbal (supposedly)
The following three al at the same time
2. Stick your head between your legs (yoga)
3. Give yourself a colon cleanse (no idea of the benefit)
4 do your laughing yoga
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
alternatives?
I just like the very idea that there are alternative medecines because, as I am sure we can all provide examples, there ARE times when Western Medicine seems stumped about what to do . .and lots of the alternative suggestions .. things like careful diet, taking care of your body, not smoking or drinking to excess make sense by all standards.
Back when I first got health insurance, I remember being surprised that annual physical exams were not covered and that a visit to the doctor was only if you had some illness or the other. All the healthy lifestyle stuff you see now is NEW to the medical/insurance industry ( and some of that still smacks of just jumping on the "health" bandwagon. ) The old way . .throw some pills at it and see what sticks . . .is passe. ( Well, Ok rethinking that . . .it isnt around here where you walk out of every visit with your little bag of pills.)
I would never knock surgery or surgeons though. I am alive thanks to my gall bladder surgery and they do really amazing and incredible things in operating theaters. That is what Western medicine excels at . . .of course much depends on the condition being operated on.
Someone mentioned taking charge of your own health. I wholeheartedly agree that this is the way it SHOULD be! It is your body after all, not the doctor's! However, this is an attitude that would have shocked my parents . . .and it is also one that many doctors are just NOT comfortable with. . .but it is the way that makes the most sense IMHO.
I love learning about "other ways" from Mr. Plum. I often follow up on stuff he mentions by looking things up on the internet and making my own educated decisions about what to follow . .and have used some of his information in my life.
Keep it coming Mr. Plum!.
Back when I first got health insurance, I remember being surprised that annual physical exams were not covered and that a visit to the doctor was only if you had some illness or the other. All the healthy lifestyle stuff you see now is NEW to the medical/insurance industry ( and some of that still smacks of just jumping on the "health" bandwagon. ) The old way . .throw some pills at it and see what sticks . . .is passe. ( Well, Ok rethinking that . . .it isnt around here where you walk out of every visit with your little bag of pills.)
I would never knock surgery or surgeons though. I am alive thanks to my gall bladder surgery and they do really amazing and incredible things in operating theaters. That is what Western medicine excels at . . .of course much depends on the condition being operated on.
Someone mentioned taking charge of your own health. I wholeheartedly agree that this is the way it SHOULD be! It is your body after all, not the doctor's! However, this is an attitude that would have shocked my parents . . .and it is also one that many doctors are just NOT comfortable with. . .but it is the way that makes the most sense IMHO.
I love learning about "other ways" from Mr. Plum. I often follow up on stuff he mentions by looking things up on the internet and making my own educated decisions about what to follow . .and have used some of his information in my life.
Keep it coming Mr. Plum!.
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I respect your opinion and I will keep your comments in mind when I post in future.Super Joe wrote:MrP, you talk about people not having an 'open mind' and having 'blinkered views' with regard medicine and health issues, from what I've read you have expressed these more than anyone, and on what seems a daily basis.
lindosfan1
You are starting to dribble.
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Mr plum said
you are starting to dribble
That is the sort of reply I would have expected from an unqualified individual.
Please remember it is illegal to give medical advice if you are not qualified, but not sure about the law in Thailand about this.
Also another point just occurred if you are working paid or unpaid I believe you need a work permit, but I could be wrong.
you are starting to dribble
That is the sort of reply I would have expected from an unqualified individual.
Please remember it is illegal to give medical advice if you are not qualified, but not sure about the law in Thailand about this.
Also another point just occurred if you are working paid or unpaid I believe you need a work permit, but I could be wrong.
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I've had many medical, and surgical, needs and am thankful for the training and discipline most doctors have followed. I've had a few unfortunate incidents with not so disciplined doctors.
The idea of alternative medicines I find intriguing. I have done my own research and do rely on some alternative methods.
Someone earlier, IMHO, hit it on the head when they said not all cures work the same for all people. Some seem to work better for me than others, yet I know many people with different results, ie. the ACV that statrted this thread.
The idea of alternative medicines I find intriguing. I have done my own research and do rely on some alternative methods.
Someone earlier, IMHO, hit it on the head when they said not all cures work the same for all people. Some seem to work better for me than others, yet I know many people with different results, ie. the ACV that statrted this thread.
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You are 'not sure about the law' in Thailand. Brilliant.lindosfan1 wrote:Please remember it is illegal to give medical advice if you are not qualified, but not sure about the law in Thailand about this.
Also another point just occurred if you are working paid or unpaid I believe you need a work permit, but I could be wrong.
lindosfan1. While you are not sure. I am quite sure. I am also quite sure that the law in Thailand is quite strict with regard to 'defamation'. If you are going where I think you are going, you had better be very sure of yourself. Otherwise you may find, Sir, that the one in the dock is you.
One of the good things about this forum, unlike many other forums I have seen is that members are able to rise above making personal attacks. You, however, seem unable to.
Grow up and end your silly personal vendetta. Other members are quite happy with my contributions. If you are not, you need to look inside yourself.
Might I remind you that... 'It is forbidden to make accusatory or slanderous comments against any other member without substantiated evidence to back up the claim and approval from the Administrator.'
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observations from my own experience you choose to take thm personally.
I will ask again what are your qualifications. Until you can answer that leave the medical replies to the experts.
As i have said nothing slanderous I finfd that comment hilarious, or did you mean the dock where ships berth.
When youstop making slanderous comments liike psychiatry the dark art and all that followed then you can criticize others.
As super joe said look in the mirror
I will ask again what are your qualifications. Until you can answer that leave the medical replies to the experts.
As i have said nothing slanderous I finfd that comment hilarious, or did you mean the dock where ships berth.
When youstop making slanderous comments liike psychiatry the dark art and all that followed then you can criticize others.
As super joe said look in the mirror
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from the telegraph
Recent news of proposed regulations that will apply to herbal medicine practitioners has stimulated yet more debate over the safety of herbal medicines. According to an article in the Sunday Telegraph, a Department of Health report states complementary therapists offering herbal medicines will have to register with an official regulator or face prosecution.
In order to register, new practitioners will require a degree in herbal medicine, while existing practitioners will have two years to prove they have sufficient knowledge and expertise to receive a licence. The government, says the Sunday Telegraph, is expected to consider the report.
Regulation of herbalists - of whom there are thought to be around two thousand operating in the UK - has been on the cards for several years following fears that some herbal medicines are not safe. There have, for instance, been several reports of liver and kidney problems as a result of taking herbal medicines, as well as at least one death. In 2007, student Ling Wang, from Newcastle upon Tyne, died after using a Chinese herbal medicine.
The move aims to protect the public against unqualified practitioners and therefore make taking herbal remedies safer. However, some experts who are sceptical about the efficacy of herbal medicines claim the proposed regulation will simply endorse remedies that are at best ineffective and - at worst - could be dangerous.
Meanwhile, the number of available over-the-counter herbal medicine products could be slashed unless more manufacturers submit applications for their remedies to be registered under the European Union Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive (THMPD). The deadline for registration is April 2011, yet according to the British Herbal Medicines Association, only around 100 UK registration applications had been lodged by last October. Any herbal product that is not registered by April 2011 will be taken off the shelves.
The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has approved just 14 applications since the directive was enacted in 2005, with another 21 applications pending. Unless there's a huge rush of applications between now and the registration deadline, hundreds of herbal products could be banned from sale.
Herbal safety guide
Until herbal medicine practitioner regulations and product registrations are firmly in place, how are practitioners and users of herbal medicines to make sure the remedies they recommend and take are safe?
Traditional Herbal Medicines - a guide to their safer use by Hammersmith Press is an indispensable guide for herbal practitioners and users of herbal medicines alike.
The authors - all experts at the Medical Toxicology Unit of Guy's & St Thomas' Hospital in London - have brought their significant knowledge of traditional medicines to produce a comprehensive herbal compendium: Dr Lakshman Karalliedde spent 10 years at the MTU and is now a toxicologist with the Chemical Hazards and Poisons Division of the Health Protection Agency; Debbie Shaw heads the MTU's Chinese Medicine Advisory Service; and Indika Gawarammana is a former registrar at the MTU.
Traditional Herbal Medicines covers traditional herbal remedies from around the world including Chinese, Afro-Caribbean, Unani and Ayurvedic traditional medicines, describing their sources, known effects and side effects, dosages, interactions and - most importantly - precautions. It's a must for anyone involved in prescribing either conventional or traditional herbal medicines - as well as the people who are taking them.
Traditional Herbal Medicines: A Guide To Their Safer Use is published by Hammersmith Press is available from www.hammersmithpress.co.uk/tradherbmed.html at £19.99.
In order to register, new practitioners will require a degree in herbal medicine, while existing practitioners will have two years to prove they have sufficient knowledge and expertise to receive a licence. The government, says the Sunday Telegraph, is expected to consider the report.
Regulation of herbalists - of whom there are thought to be around two thousand operating in the UK - has been on the cards for several years following fears that some herbal medicines are not safe. There have, for instance, been several reports of liver and kidney problems as a result of taking herbal medicines, as well as at least one death. In 2007, student Ling Wang, from Newcastle upon Tyne, died after using a Chinese herbal medicine.
The move aims to protect the public against unqualified practitioners and therefore make taking herbal remedies safer. However, some experts who are sceptical about the efficacy of herbal medicines claim the proposed regulation will simply endorse remedies that are at best ineffective and - at worst - could be dangerous.
Meanwhile, the number of available over-the-counter herbal medicine products could be slashed unless more manufacturers submit applications for their remedies to be registered under the European Union Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive (THMPD). The deadline for registration is April 2011, yet according to the British Herbal Medicines Association, only around 100 UK registration applications had been lodged by last October. Any herbal product that is not registered by April 2011 will be taken off the shelves.
The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has approved just 14 applications since the directive was enacted in 2005, with another 21 applications pending. Unless there's a huge rush of applications between now and the registration deadline, hundreds of herbal products could be banned from sale.
Herbal safety guide
Until herbal medicine practitioner regulations and product registrations are firmly in place, how are practitioners and users of herbal medicines to make sure the remedies they recommend and take are safe?
Traditional Herbal Medicines - a guide to their safer use by Hammersmith Press is an indispensable guide for herbal practitioners and users of herbal medicines alike.
The authors - all experts at the Medical Toxicology Unit of Guy's & St Thomas' Hospital in London - have brought their significant knowledge of traditional medicines to produce a comprehensive herbal compendium: Dr Lakshman Karalliedde spent 10 years at the MTU and is now a toxicologist with the Chemical Hazards and Poisons Division of the Health Protection Agency; Debbie Shaw heads the MTU's Chinese Medicine Advisory Service; and Indika Gawarammana is a former registrar at the MTU.
Traditional Herbal Medicines covers traditional herbal remedies from around the world including Chinese, Afro-Caribbean, Unani and Ayurvedic traditional medicines, describing their sources, known effects and side effects, dosages, interactions and - most importantly - precautions. It's a must for anyone involved in prescribing either conventional or traditional herbal medicines - as well as the people who are taking them.
Traditional Herbal Medicines: A Guide To Their Safer Use is published by Hammersmith Press is available from www.hammersmithpress.co.uk/tradherbmed.html at £19.99.
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Read the article people have had liver and kidney problems and at least one death toxicologists are looking at these medicines and the results will be interesting.
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