If someone was breaking into my house and I shot him/her dead to defend my household, I think as a westerner I'd have really hard time trying to justify the killing. Especially if the criminals didn't have a weapon of my size. So, they have a knife, I have a gun. Unnecessary force on my part there.
And there's the legality of having a gun in the first place.
Crime fighting
Lomu,
Are you saying that you'd rather take them on in the gentlemanly way in an equal knife fight? Not me, I'd rather have the advantage, especially if my wife and/or kids were cowering under the bed in another room counting on me to protect them!
Are you saying that you'd rather take them on in the gentlemanly way in an equal knife fight? Not me, I'd rather have the advantage, especially if my wife and/or kids were cowering under the bed in another room counting on me to protect them!
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OK HHF, fair enough, in that situation that Lomuamart suggests then what can anyone say? But comparing the violent crime figures generally of the two countries that have oppositie rules? There is something to be said for not having any guns available at all.
Hmmmm.
Maybe neither is the right answer but perhaps somewhere in the middle, but the happy median is always elusive.
Hmmmm.
Maybe neither is the right answer but perhaps somewhere in the middle, but the happy median is always elusive.
Resolve dissolves in alcohol
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Spitfire - I spent 3 weeks in T-land in 2003 and loved it. But I was a tourist and living there isn't the same as being a pampered tourist.
I agree with what you said about the NRA and the description of the morons in it. That was CLASSIC! I will copy that to my journal so I will not forget it and it will make me laugh for weeks!
This mindset is the majority in the US and got Geo. Bush elected. HHFarang won't agree but IMO the policies of those drunken cowboys are responsible for the credit meltdown and the world wide recession that causes unemployed workers to burlarize your homes. This is what I am trying to escape from. The only affordable areas of the US on a fixed retirement are the areas where those guys live. I don't want my trailer to blow away in a tornedo! The coasts are unaffordable, hence my investigation of HH.
Many have told me to shut up and come live there to find out. If I had the cash to come and leave if I had to, I would do so, but that is not the case unfortunately. Contrary to world belief, not all Americans are wealthy.
Cheers
DQ BGB
I agree with what you said about the NRA and the description of the morons in it. That was CLASSIC! I will copy that to my journal so I will not forget it and it will make me laugh for weeks!
This mindset is the majority in the US and got Geo. Bush elected. HHFarang won't agree but IMO the policies of those drunken cowboys are responsible for the credit meltdown and the world wide recession that causes unemployed workers to burlarize your homes. This is what I am trying to escape from. The only affordable areas of the US on a fixed retirement are the areas where those guys live. I don't want my trailer to blow away in a tornedo! The coasts are unaffordable, hence my investigation of HH.
Many have told me to shut up and come live there to find out. If I had the cash to come and leave if I had to, I would do so, but that is not the case unfortunately. Contrary to world belief, not all Americans are wealthy.
Cheers
DQ BGB
There will be no wealthy Americans soon if we don't get the current ruling elitists out of power... (except them of course)Contrary to world belief, not all Americans are wealthy.
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No, I'm just suggesting how the legal situation might go against a farang.hhfarang wrote:Lomu,
Are you saying that you'd rather take them on in the gentlemanly way in an equal knife fight? Not me, I'd rather have the advantage, especially if my wife and/or kids were cowering under the bed in another room counting on me to protect them!
Yeah, you're right about that Lomu, but I'd rather me and my family be alive and unharmed and worry about the legal hassles later.
Lets hope none of us are ever put into the situation where we have to find out.
Lets hope none of us are ever put into the situation where we have to find out.
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Sure is a different culture, one that has clearly demonstrated that it's citizens, 'as a whole', are not responsible enough to own firearms.hhfarang wrote:If you ever need one you will think differently. Sorry, no offense meant Spitfire but you, coming from a "progressive" country don't know what you are talking about when discussing Ammerica... it's a different culture.If ever there was an ammendment needed then it's regarding the silly bullshit about the right have arms.
The figures appear to show that you 'accidentally' shoot twice as many of each other than we intentionally do in the UK. This isn't aimed at you hhfarang, as you are clearly are a responsible person/gun owner who's opinion's I respect, but aimed at the ownership system as a whole and the resultant ease of obtaining a firearm.
What I would like to know from all these farangs who want to protect their family by shooting the intruder is who will protect them when you're locked up for 25 years for the illegal shooting ??
SJ
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I agree with what you said about the NRA and the description of the morons in it. That was CLASSIC! I will copy that to my journal so I will not forget it and it will make me laugh for weeks!
LAn,
I suspect that from what you have already told us that you couldn't purchase a weapon (legally) in the U.S. anyway. I bought a handgun in California and I recall having to answer a lot of questions about my mental health history on a form, and a two week wait while they checked my background for any criminal activity before they let me take it home.
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Despite the wait, and the background check HHF mentions, it's still very easy to buy a gun here in the States.Super Joe wrote:hhfarang wrote:The figures appear to show that you 'accidentally' shoot twice as many of each other than we intentionally do in the UK.
SJ
Unfortunately one can not buy common sense as easily.
The statistics on gun deaths are automatically skewed towards the countries that have the right to own guns of course. Look at the statistics of automobile deaths. An island country where automobiles are not manufactured and the population cannot afford to import and own automobiles has a very low death rate from them whereas a country like the U.S. has a very high rate.
Should we go back to horses?
Should we go back to horses?
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There is the factor of "It's the human factor". A car/gun/candle stick/broken bottle etc are inaminate objects. None of these things are inherently malignant, they are simply tools that require an operator to use them in a way for which they were designed or something more nefarious.
True, they are often overly efficient tools that make it too easy to apply a negative effect, especially in the case of firearms, not like a knife, you don't have to get 'up close and personal' and watch someone breath their last breath infront of your face. It's too easy with guns, but the problem really is, is people's attitudes towards each other in a social situations, that's what needs to be addressed. Weapons are nothing more than inaminate objects that require human interference to operate.
You can kill someone with an ash-tray or a set of car keys. It's a social problem and it's better to take the specifically designed "tools" for such "military" outcomes out of the mix.
There are responsible people but the disproportionate majority are not.
I do believe in self defence but I think the solution is to be found somewhere else, like in a change of societies values. However, many would consider that as La La land, maybe they are right?
It has been said that "It's in our nature to destroy ourselves and that conflict is that natural state of mankind."
Maybe, who knows?
True, they are often overly efficient tools that make it too easy to apply a negative effect, especially in the case of firearms, not like a knife, you don't have to get 'up close and personal' and watch someone breath their last breath infront of your face. It's too easy with guns, but the problem really is, is people's attitudes towards each other in a social situations, that's what needs to be addressed. Weapons are nothing more than inaminate objects that require human interference to operate.
You can kill someone with an ash-tray or a set of car keys. It's a social problem and it's better to take the specifically designed "tools" for such "military" outcomes out of the mix.
There are responsible people but the disproportionate majority are not.
I do believe in self defence but I think the solution is to be found somewhere else, like in a change of societies values. However, many would consider that as La La land, maybe they are right?
It has been said that "It's in our nature to destroy ourselves and that conflict is that natural state of mankind."
Maybe, who knows?
Resolve dissolves in alcohol