Crime fighting

Post by **charlesh** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:30 am

spot on Valrhona - does not compute does it ??
Good research and comprehension skills.
pity HM from california got sucked in.
Old adage about "taking a grain of salt"??

Post by **Vital Spark** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:30 am

Got back home yesterday at 6pm and the front door was wide open

We've been done (I thought). Walked into the house and everything was how it should be.

We left the house at 8am and I held the bonnet of the car up as Mr.VS was checking the water level in the radiator. Silly me - I opened up the gate and off we went. The house was unoccupied with the front door open for 10 hours. Yeh, I've touched a lot of wood today.

VS

Post by **LAnative** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:07 am

As far as I can tell this is an OPEN forum/chatroom. Anyone from any country is allowed on. You will NOT insult me off of it. The more you tell me to shut up the less I am inclined to.
DQ

Post by **STEVE G** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:35 am

Vital Spark wrote::offtopic:

Got back home yesterday at 6pm and the front door was wide open :shock: We've been done (I thought). Walked into the house and everything was how it should be.

We left the house at 8am and I held the bonnet of the car up as Mr.VS was checking the water level in the radiator. Silly me - I opened up the gate and off we went. The house was unoccupied with the front door open for 10 hours. Yeh, I've touched a lot of wood today.

VS

That's what it's like at our place up in Issan, as long as you know the locals you'll get left alone. Because of the family and our dogs, the door is often left open and you never have a problem.

Post by **PeteC** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:49 am

Check for snakes and tokays VS

Pete

Post by **STEVE G** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:01 am

it's the snakes that keep the thiefs away!

Post by **hhfarang** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:52 am

Check for snakes and tokays VS

it's the snakes that keep the thiefs away!

If the thieves are like my wife the tokays would work as well. They freak her out!

Post by **Wanderlust** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:07 pm

LAnative wrote:As far as I can tell this is an OPEN forum/chatroom. Anyone from any country is allowed on. You will NOT insult me off of it. The more you tell me to shut up the less I am inclined to.
DQ

LAnative,
I don't think anyone's intent is to get you to leave, but as has already been said your own attitude and posts invites hostile or disbelieving responses. It is hard to believe that you are actually what you claim to be in your posts, hence the accusations of trolling, and your posts do seem to be more like a 16 year olds in some cases, rather than the age you must be if you are telling the truth about your life. Anyone with the claimed experiences you have would not react the way you do truthfully, so you are either being deliberately obtuse or you are not what you claim to be; both of these mean that you are a troll in internet speak. Tell the truth and shame the devil, as religious people say. Or just go away because your posts lack any credibility due to what I have written above. I have been very polite and responded to your posts in an honest way, as have some others, but my patience has now worn out - I am bored with what you post because it doesn't ring true, and I think everyone else feels the same. Either get real or f**k off.

Post by **Nereus** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:54 am

I am posting this just as a matter of interest--not to encourage gun ownership or otherwise:

Two doors North of the original Bangkok Bank building on Petchkasem Road, next to the Liquor Store / Bottle Shop, is a gun shop. They have several rifles, and what claims to be a Remington Shotgun, on display in the window. I did not go inside but from what I could see they also have a lot of accessories inside.

Post by **hhfarang** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:48 pm

That (gun) shop has been there for the entire 5 years I've been living here. I've been in there a few times and they don't have much in stock but the lady will produce catalogs on demand from every major gun manufacturer and you can order whatever you want and they will get it for you. Prices for good brand name items are pretty high (at least compared to the U.S.).

The legalities of gun ownership (and even carrying) by foreigners here is still not clear to me as I get differing opinions depending on who I ask. It's certainly not a problem for anyone with a Thai wife. Most Thai people (even one policeman) I've spoken to about it thinks it's ok if you can apply for and receive a permit from the government. That seems to require some specific need, but you know how those things work here... maybe I need one to control the rats in my garage...

BTW, I'm not advocating gun ownership either unless you are professionally trained in their safe use and storage...

Post by **Wanderlust** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:02 pm

hhf,
I am certain that apart from a very very few exceptions, foreigners are not allowed to own or carry guns under Thai law. Here is a summary I have nicked from another forum:

An overview of the framework is below, though despite this plethora, the trade in illegal small arms is often acknowledged to be widespread.
Firearms, Ammunition, Explosive Articles and Fireworks and Imitation of Firearms Act, B.E. 2490 (1947)
Munitions of War Control Act, B.E. 2530 (1987)
Decree on the Export Control of Armaments and Material, B.E. 2535 (1992)
Order of the National Administrator Reform Committee No.37 (October 1976)
Ministerial Regulation No.12 (1981), issued under the Firearms, Ammunitions, Explosives, Fireworks and Firearm Equivalents Act 1947
Ministerial Regulation No.1 (1977), issued under the Order of the National Administrative Reform Committee No. 37
Ministerial Regulation No.2 (1977), issued under the Order of the National Administrative Reform Committee No. 37
Ministerial Regulation No.3 (1977), issued under the Order of the National Administrative Reform Committee No. 37
Ministerial Regulation No.4 (1977), issued under the Order of the National 3
Administrative Reform Committee No. 37
Act Controlling Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, Fireworks and Imitation of Firearms No.4 (1967)
Notification of the Ministry of Interior. Appointment of Registrars, Officers and Officials under the Firearms, Ammunitions, Explosives, Fireworks and Imitation of Firearms Act 1947
In summary, a foreigner in Thailand is unable to carry a firearm, without express permission, which is very rarely granted. For a Thai citizen, they must show themselves to be good members of the community, show cause for issuance of the licence, and I seem to recall show or pay a specific sum {see below} for a firearm licence to be provided. As in other countries the regulations specify class of weapon, including shot-guns, small bore rifles, hand guns etc..

From a report submitted by the Thai authorities to the UN, in 2005:-

Any person who desires to possess small arms (pistols) must obtain permission from the authorities concerned. In Bangkok, the Commissioner General of the Royal Thai Police is
responsible for granting permit licenses of gun possession. An inter-agency, committee, comprising agencies such as the Office of Narcotics Control Board, the Ministry of
Interior, the Ministry of Defence, the Office of the Commissioner-General of the Royal Thai Police, will be set up to verify the qualification of each applicant. Then, the persons
who have authority to grant permit license are the Commissioner-General of the Royal Thai Police and provincial governors. Permit licenses can be cancelled any time when the licensee is proven to have committed a crime or to have used guns inappropriately. The person whose license was cancelled will never be granted a permit license again.

The Ministry of Interior released the ministerial order on 29 May 2003 to suspend the permit license granting for all types of rifle temporarily due to the increasing number of
crime cases caused by small arms and according to the government policy to suppress firearms, illegal arms, and organised crime. Such authorisation must be given by the
Minister of Defence.

For a civilian who wishes to obtain a possessing license, he/she has to be over 35 years old and possess a saving account more than 1 million Baht at least 6 months. In case an
applicant for a permit license owns a business or is a company manager, the registered capital must be at least 10 million Baht. In addition, this act states that any government officer who desires to carry government issued guns and ammunitions out of the office in a non-emergency case has to ask for permission from the head of the agency, and must have the letter of permission at hand.

The Ministry of Interior has proposed new Amnesty Act to exempt penalties to any person possessing illegal arms in order to help reduce the number of illegal arms possession in the country. At present, this Act has not yet been endorsed but is in the final review process.{2005, don't recall that it happened} However, Thailand has enacted the Amnesty Acts six times in the past, namely, in 1948, 1958, 1975, 1987, 1992 and 2000.

The above is, believe it or not, a shortened version of a 2005 document submitted to the UN, focused on illegal trading {extraterritorial}. It has the edifying title of National Report of the Kingdom of Thailand on the Implementation of the 2001 United Nations Programme of Action to Prevent, Combat and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects, July 2005. If you feel like reading the 12 page PDF, you can find it here

Super Joe · Post by **Super Joe** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:12 pm

hhfarang wrote:BTW, I'm not advocating gun ownership either unless you are professionally trained in their safe use and storage...

....... and only wish to 'protect' your family on one single occassion. Because you will not be able to 'protect' them then next time something happens as you'll be serving a very long prison sentence.

SJ

Post by **hhfarang** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:33 pm

You guys seem to be very naive. We all know of a foreigner (from your country) who in spite of a criminal record in his home country and being sought by the authorities there (both he and his wife) carry(ed) handguns in their automobiles and on at least one occasion hired assasins to carry out a murder and they are both still walking free.

You can own and do anything you want here as long as you have the right connections and/or the money necessary to pay the tea money. The law rarely matters in those cases.

This is not the U.K. or Europe...

BTW, while on the general topic, Britain's anti gun laws seem to be working well:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... crime.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1471716.stm

http://guncontrolpolicy.com/commentary/2.html

Super Joe · Post by **Super Joe** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:19 pm

Naive Mr HHF ??
I think we all know what you may or may not get away with illegally with the right connections, a few Mil to throw the right way and a bit of luck, but I think we were coming at it from the legal side.
There's thousands of foreigners in Thai prisons, not everyone can get off all the time.

Please hold your fire, don't shoot me down in flames as i'm not gunning for you or anything, it was aimed at people in general, just putting the other side of the story. Certainly wasn't meant as a cheap shot, if people read WL's posting they will go into it fore-armed and not half-cocked.

SJ

Post by **PeteC** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:32 pm

"This is my rifle, this is my gun....." It goes on from there but I forget the rest. They made recruits sing that and point to their crotch for the latter to make sure they learned the difference.

We should admit that Thailand is filled with foreigners with guns, but in who's hands they really are is a matter for debate.

Pete

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