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Politics and Thailand's wealth gap

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From The Nation
By Chang Noi
Published on November 2, 2009

THE POLITICAL DIVISION remains fierce and emotional. Much of the country is a no-go area for members of the government. Abhisit's delivery of a compensation check to Granny Hai required a helicopter-borne military operation that cost many times the value on the cheque. Talk of "reconciliation" has faded away.


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Little by very little, more people accept that this intense division is not caused by one man but a massively unequal distribution of wealth and power. Several worthy, middle-of-the-road institutions have found a new interest in the subject of economic and social inequality. These include the King Prajadhiphok Institute, Thailand Development Research Institute, and Thailand Research Fund.

The inequality in income in Thailand is much worse than it should be, given the relative success of the economy over the past generation. A simple way to measure income inequality is to estimate the gap between the top fifth and bottom fifth of the population. In countries like Sweden and Japan, where people value the advantages of living in a relatively equal society, the difference is 3 to 5 times. In Europe and North America, it's 5 to 8 times. Among Thailand's Asian neighbours, it's 9 to 12 times. In Thailand, it's 13 to 15 times. Almost all the countries worse than Thailand are African states with civil wars or Latin American states with endemic populist movements. The risks are very clear.

The economist Simon Kuznets proposed that developing economies would tend to get more unequal at first, because the benefits would be monopolised by a minority, but later would become more equal as many more people shared in the fruits of growth. That theory has generally been proven true, including among Thailand's neighbours. Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines have all turned the corner from worsening to improving distribution. But Thailand defies Kuznets' rule. Recently, a Thammasat economist used Kuznets' method to calculate when Thailand should have turned the corner if it conformed to the pattern of most of the world. Her answer was 1994. But it still has not happened.

All these calculations are about income. But what about wealth? How unequal is the distribution of property, savings, and other assets in Thailand? Government began collecting data on this only in 2006, and the first analyses are now appearing. They are rather shocking. While the difference in income between the top and bottom fifths is 13 to 15 times, the difference in wealth is around 69 times. In terms of the Gini coefficient, a measure of inequality in which a higher figure means more unequal, the figure for income is a bit over 0.5 while that for wealth is 0.7.

What's more, we can be pretty sure that this calculation is an underestimate. It's not too difficult to count the assets of the poor. It's very difficult to count the assets of the rich because they are very shy people. If a certain former prime minister is a good guide to general practice, then the rich hide a third to a half of their wealth. That would mean that the wealth Gini is more like 0.8, and the wealth gap between the top and bottom fifths is more like 80 to 100 times.

Other data tend to corroborate this picture of a truly enormous wealth gap. According to the Bank of Thailand, there is almost Bt3 trillion in bank accounts.

Two-fifths of this total is held in just 0.1 per cent of all the accounts. Most people, especially rich people, tend to have more than one account. On a rough calculation, assuming the rich have two accounts apiece, half of the total savings in banks is owned by around 50,000 people.

The stock market is much the same. Between 1995 and 2004, the same 11 families appeared constantly as the top five holders on the exchange: Maleenont, Shinawatra, Damaphong, Chirathiwat, Benjarongkul, Damrongchaitham, Asavaphokin, Liewpairat, Photharamik, Kannasut and Joranajit.

Land is similar. In eight provinces where data has recently become available, the top 50 landholders (persons or juristic persons) hold on average a 10th of the total land. In Bangkok, the top 50 own 10.1 per cent of the land, and the single largest holder has 14,776 rai.

There are many, many reasons why income and wealth have become so unevenly distributed. One reason that is simple and can be relatively simply changed is the way the government raises revenue and spends that money.

Some countries use these mechanisms to even out equality by redistributing from the rich to the poor. Many other countries aim that the system should be roughly fair for all. In Thailand, the government redistributes from the poor to the rich.

How much is hard to calculate accurately. One study from 1981 showed that the poorest 10th were taxed over twice as much as the rich as a percentage of income. A 1994 study showed that the situation had improved but was still marginally pro-rich. Since then, nobody has looked. It's too embarrassing. The reasons for the skew are the heavy reliance on indirect taxes (VAT, excise) which fall more heavily on the poor, and the high levels of evasion. Some 8.6 million people file income tax returns, but only 5 million pay any tax, and only 4 per cent of those are taxed in the two highest brackets. The number of payees has been dropping in recent years.

Spending is similar. A World Bank study by Hyun Hwa Son showed that Thai government spending on health, education, and infrastructure benefited the rich more than the poor. So do subsidies on public utilities. The reasons lie in past development policy. Spending was concentrated on such things as Bangkok infrastructure and higher education on grounds these would have the largest impact on economic growth. Policies have since changed, but the legacy remains.

Just making government's tax and spending a bit fairer would begin to counter the trend to inequality. Is there the political will to make those changes? How much time is left?
interesting stuff eh? I did laught at the number of tax payers - deduct from that figure the ex-pats who run bars and such and pay taxes and I wonder how many Thais will be shown to pay....... the base fugure indcates only about 12% of the population pay taxes.... thats mad.

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Very interesting post.

From my very limited knowledge and probably incorrect impression, what the article doesn't take into account is the micro-economies outside of the main system and almost certainly only operating outside of the big cities.

That doesn't mean this generates enourmous wealth, but certainly makes a difference and can be dependent on, for example, who in a village has a small tractor costing about 35k, that can give quite a bit of bargaining/bartering power.

What is clear is that the rich in LOS have got everyone else where they want them, for now. The world is changing and opening up, without doubt the internet is playing its part in that and us farangs are making a small difference - I'm happily funding my wifes sister through university (part of the deal is she contributes to family funding in future and not so reliant on my wife/me) - and I just hope the powers that be have the sense to introduce change rather than have it forced.

This is a taboo subject for me to discuss with my wife, as is the Royal Family.
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A closely related topic below. I don't think the Bangkok Post forum competes with HHAD. If I'm wrong, Mods please trash this. Pete :cheers:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/forum/viewto ... 808#p47808
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sandman67 wrote:From The Nation
By Chang Noi
Published on November 2, 2009

In Thailand, the government redistributes [wealth]* from the poor to the rich.

Spending is similar. A World Bank study by Hyun Hwa Son showed that
Thai government spending on health, education, and infrastructure benefited the rich more than the poor.
The two above quotes are indicative of a feudal society and all that that entails. In my travels around the central Southern areas of Thailand, only as far south as Surat Thani I hasten to add, I saw many examples of what can only be considered by Western eyes as extreme poverty and hardship.

Apart from my very short sojourn in Hua Hin I spent most of my time away from the tourist areas [Bangkok excepted]. I think I got to see and experience, courtesy of my Thai hosts, real Thailand. All the Thai people I met were ostensibly very friendy and generally seemed quite content with their situation.

In its peculiar way Thai society appears to work. I could however make further comments which I fear may violate forum rules, suffice it to say, some could draw parallels between England in 1645 and France in 1791, [Gregorian calendar].

It may be incorect to observe but I see an analogous situation with regard to 'farang' bar owners [and such like] and the Chinese community in Manchester, England. Both groups contribute substantial amounts into their local economies yet I suspect that the 'farang' contribution is barely or fully recognised unlike the Chinese is in Manchester.

In a way it is invidious though - 'farang' bars bring 'farang' visitors. This entails 'farang' values being imported covertly into Thai society. I am non too sure if the word 'farang' necessitates contempt, disdain and scorn by Thai people but I get the impression it may well do. None the less, the values of licentiousness, shamless and immodest behaviour fused with free speech and the unrepentant questioning of authority brought into Thailand by these arrogant foreign visitors is, albeit slowly, having its effect on the indigenous population.**

This process may well stimulate the decay / disintegration of the current staus quo, i.e the end of the Thai feudal society - to be replaced by what I wonder?

HuntingTigers.

* My Italics, inserted for clarity as the quote is an abstract from the full Nation article.

** i.e The fundamental Anglo Saxon virtues of rape, [nowadays with consent by both parties after a monetary consideration has been negotiated], pillaging, drinking, quaffing and wassailing***.

*** The 3rd of the essential Anglo Saxon virtues. The 1st 'Drinking' - to consume as much beer before the bar closes. The 2nd 'Quaffing' - to consume as much beer before the bar closes but to also miss hiting one's mouth on occasions. The 3rd 'Wassailing' - all of the above but accompanied by wild dancing and singing - not necessarily in that order though.

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When you consider the pace of development in Bangkok it all starts to make sense (in a Thai way of course.)
Thinking back to around 1994 - when according to SM's article the 'turnaround' in economic balance should have been seen, I remember the Bayaoke 1 being easily destinguishable above the surrounding Bangkok skyline. By 1999 it was dwarfed by Bayaoke 2, and the Skytrain opened. Now the whole city is heading skyward. The subway has been open for 5 years followed by Swampy not long after.
That is huge growth in the space of around 10 to 13 years, and the pace continues.
It's difficult to believe that this is all due to government spending. In fact major infrastructure work such as Skytrain tends to be carried out as foreign collaborative projects rather than wholly down to the Thai government.
It makes me wonder just how much of that vast upper 5th wealth has gone into privately owned Bangkok developments. Which is fine in a way - if a hotel or whatever provides employment for example. Employees pay tax and spend locally etc. Hopefully send some cash home to their families. Except that (at least to my very non-economic brain) that's where it goes pear shaped, because the big Bangkok employers probably won't want to bring in labour from the sticks. And the employees they DO have will face ever increasing housing and living costs as Bangkok itself develops, and the cheap rentals are demolished. No spare income to send money home (except maybe for the underground economy) and the folks in the sticks are left just as they were before 94.
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Having just read this thread is has made it veery clear about the way the Country is structured and the rough life that the Thai people have. I really feel sorry for them. Taxing the poor and giving to the rich is just Robin Hood in reverse.
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Qouting Sandman67 and HuntingTigers:
From The Nation

Quote:
By Chang Noi
Published on November 2, 2009

In Thailand, the government redistributes [wealth]* from the poor to the rich.

Spending is similar. A World Bank study by Hyun Hwa Son showed that
Thai government spending on health, education, and infrastructure benefited the rich more than the poor.



The two above quotes are indicative of a feudal society and all that that entails.
When Thailand established Democracy in the early 20th Century it has not cut the umbilical cord from the Khunnang era which has belong to the Thai culuture for 100 hundreds of years, So far The BAngkok elites who are benefitting from this feudal society don;t want to change their Status Quo. As more Thai's marry foreigners I believe that this System is slowly but surely giving way to a new System but what system it will take it's anybodies guess. but this system has to be fair to both the poor and the rich will benefit. In a conversation me nad my friend agreed that the Democratic Party is the extension of the old Khunnang style rule but wrapped up in a Democratic disguise.

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Thailand has never established democracy. Just look at the unelected PM.
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