Sometimes you just have to go with the flow...

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Sometimes you just have to go with the flow...

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The Satukarn Square thread is wandering off towards what's acceptable or tolerated when living here, so I thought I'd start something with our own experience.

We moved down to Nakhon Pathom and chose a lovely house down a relatively quiet canal road. We like peace and quiet. :D

Two months later a karaoke bar opened just down the road. It's an open-air place, so sound travels. Just about tolerable. Two months ago the open-air Isaan restaurant just outside our gate decided to compete with the karaoke bar. The later the hour, and the more inebriated the guests, the louder it gets, and the worse the crooning. Two weeks ago a man set up a stall just outside our gate selling 'herbal hooch' - customers can sit down and get plastered drinking red-coloured stuff until the early hours. He even parks his grotty bright yellow estate car at the side of our driveway with the boot open so that his customers can listen to the latest heavy metal Thai rock band. :shock:

So what should we do? Answer: nothing.

All the above are trying to make a living in pretty trying times. We are on nodding, limited chat, and smiling terms with the closest ones and I give them the empty beer bottles to recycle. They, in turn, keep an eye on the place when we go to work - kind of unpaid security guards.

If we were to complain, where would it get us? Answer: nowhere, and possibly a lot of agro.

Ever the optimist I'm hoping that, like most fads and fashions in Thailand it may just fizzle out and another area will become the 'in' place to go.

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I think you are very tolerant of them. It can't be nice having all of that going on around you in your little place in paradise. However, I believe you are doing the right thing - they could make things a lot worse.

All that and free security as well :D
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Sorry VS I've just added to the Satukarn/pavement debate before reading this. But yes, you're right IMO. Many of us have had to turn a deaf ear in the interest of getting on with the neighbours. It's a pain for people who have to get up in the mornings to go to work - but it's the price of living in harmony - or sometimes dis-harmony!
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Sorry to hear of your noise troubles! But the problem exists everywhere. I've had noisy, and troublesome neighbors too here in California. Unfortunately there are only so many remedies, grin and bear it being among the best.
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I've had to move a couple of times because of noisy and disruptive neighbours, it seems that a minority want to conduct themselves without a hint of consideration for anyone around them.

As said above though it happens everywhere (although Thailand is one of the nosiest countries I have lived in) so it is probably best to roll with it or get a kickass sound system yourselves!
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Buksida wrote: "although Thailand is one of the nosiest countries I have lived in"

A Freudian slip, I presume .....


.... though it does open up a whole new can of worms :wink:
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barrys wrote: A Freudian slip, I presume .....
.... though it does open up a whole new can of worms :wink:
:lach: damn that spell checker ...
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Post by richard »

Know what you mean VS

Thought my life in an Isaan village would be tranquil

Far from it. Cockerals in the morning, the latest propoganda piped across the village at 6am, parties gallore with deafening music. (thank God I am a little deaf)

Moved back to HH for some peace and quiet :)
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I suppose Richard...........Isaan is just different, very different, but most seasoned travellers or people that visit a lot of places just adapt to their surroundings for as long as they are in said place.

You being a city-boy, I can imagine how you found it "challenging", but at least you went which is more than most manage. That's the kind of place that a large majority of Thais you meet everywhere come from, and if they aren't then you can be fairly sure that their mothers or fathers probably did, just the kids have done good but this way of life still figures in their lives, look no further than the chaos at the bus stations in Bangkok at New Year or Mittrapard Road (A2) that goes all the way up to the Laos border, absolute chaos for the week.

Trips to Isaan to visit or stay in the village environment need to be properly planned and probable pit-falls considered and assigned possible solutions, forsight is the key to success on that one, like transport, food, shopping (nearest Tesco etc), infrastructure in the place you'll be residing, nearest hotel of worth, and much more regarding these "issues".

Properly thought out or fixed by those that reside there for long lengths of time can make it rewarding and a positive experience which there are many who would agree. It is worth mentioning that almost all Thais that come from the villages aspire to return and live quietly with their families and have little desire to stay in the cities forever, as we all know the problem is money. This does not apply to all of course, but certainly to a disproportionate percentage of them. If you have money and have resolved the problems inherent to this environment then Isaan is fine.

Some of the above is slightly off topic but leads me onto the point relevent to this thread. From what VS describes above leaves the impression to me that these Thai folks are just village types that have migrated to the city, or have got swallowed up in it because they were in close proximity to it, and are just doing the same as what they would do it the village. Even if the are from the Hua Hin area then if they are from 40-60 age group generation then when they were being brought up 30 or so years ago then most of the Hua Hin are would have resembled pretty much the same as an Isaan village is now, wasn't so long ago. Cities like Hua Hin are magnets for people from the countryside to turn up in and try to make some money.

What you see is basically just simple Thai culture in a western style Thai city with all the bright lights and glitz attached to it but it still shines through. Even in Korat you still see cockerals knocking around screaming, sometimes in the suburban estates, some of them just can't resist themselves.

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Wasn't sure whether to put this on the "Isaan" thread or here as the post crossed over both threads, so popped it here.......oh well.
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Post by richard »

Good post spitfire

Sums it all up pretty well

Unless you stay in a spa, luxury hotel or a condo you have be prepared to accept how Thais really behave. Quiet, subdued and gentle some of the time but on occasions let their hair down and have no consideration for neighbours

When I used to visit the village I used to be knackered by the time I got there and just wanted a beer and a hammock. No chance. Village turned out and decided I needed a party welcome home scene. Got my goat to start with and then I realised this is the way Thais behave.

Many posts about integration but at the end of the day this is how Thais behave and we have to go with the flow or move on

Many posts about Thai reckless driving, lack of safety etc but that is their culture. Everything is Bhuddas will

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Just a little update:

The 'herbal hooch/jungle juice' man (the quieter of the two outsite our gate) plays some quite nice farang music sometimes. I asked him today if he liked farang music and he said he loved it. OK - if I'm going to be subjected to music, it might as well be something I like. So I burnt him a copy of the 'Love Album' - appropriate I thought considering what he's selling :D .

He's pleased as punch, plays it relatively quietly, and I get to hear music that I actually like.

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