Permanent Electrical Supplies

[petercr]

I am a resident in HH on a development that does not yet have permanent electrical posts or individual electric meters that are adopted by the eclectic Co. To date the developer has paid the monthly electric bill and we are billed according to consumption against temporary meters for each property.

It now seems that the developer is unable to pay any of the utility bills so we (the residents) are considering paying to have permanent posts installed along with individual meters.

Could anyone or a developer provide information on the best way to go about this process and give an indication of the costs involved per permanent post.

Thanks

[Spitfire]

Isn't permanent electrictity supply in the contract? Must say that I'm no property expert but this one seems to be in-sink with the usual conman/cowboy stuff of this sector. It's all a bit 'Yahoooooo!' True to form for this sector. Perhaps a lawyer instead.

[petercr]

Unfortunately any contract is worthless...........as is getting lawyers on the case

The developer has no money ............

[stgrhe]

Does the development has its own transformer and in that chase is it a three phase or single phase version and also what size is it in kVA?

Next question: how many houses are there in the development and what are the current meter ratings 15/30 or 30/100?

Final question: what is the rating in Amps of your main circuit breaker?

[petercr]

Does the development has its own transformer and in that chase is it a three phase or single phase version and also what size is it in kVA?

No dedicated transformer

Next question: how many houses are there in the development and what are the current meter ratings 15/30 or 30/100?

12 house 30/60 meter rating

Final question: what is the rating in Amps of your main circuit breaker?

100amp

[hhfarang]

Peter, I had to pay for three poles and a transformer to provide the needed 3 phase to my house. The three poles plus transformer cost 250,000 baht installed but that was five years ago.

I'll ask the wife if she dealt directly with the electric company or if the developer did it and let you know. BTW, back then electricity was nearly double the cost per unit on a temporary meter.

[Super Joe]

Something to check Peter, has the development's internal roads (land titles), been transfered over to the Tessabahn ? Electric company do refuse to install inside otherwise, not sure that's a hard and fast rule though.

Also, if there's higher installed 11kv or 22kv supplies nearby I'd consider upgrading to them, means a transformer cost but shouldn't be too bad spread over 12 houses. No future power worries, whereas on the 'general' LV cables you don't know what's going to be built and connected into them in the coming years.


SJ

[JimmyGreaves]

Same problem on a soi 102 development. Right mess!

I would have thought that if you had the poles running down the road then the Electric board would be happy to get you all individual meters. However you may need the approval of the developer to remove their meter before the board does it for you if they are not paying the bills. Are you having to pay the bill now if you can get hold of it

Right mess!

[petercr]

We are attempting to get the bill details and until we have that to hand we have no idea what arrears will be.

The developer for his part simply says we should pay the bill direct and quickly!!

If we can have individual meters that the elect co can read direct without placing the more permanent poles this could be a useful and cost effective option. The concrete poles in place just now are simply shorter than the permament type.

Does anyone have experience of this approach??

Thanks again

[brianks]

Gosh sound all to familiar. When at former estate several of us tried to get billing direct from EGAT and bypass developers excessive overcharges. Law says we needed over 50% of the Land Owners (not lessors) in the total complex and rights of passage on roadway before we could go to EGAT to even have them look at our situation. Went to EGAT and after my wife finally badgering them they came out and really kind of laughed at us telling us it was too expensive and they didn't want to do it as they would have to string another set of poles in the complex for direct billing to ONLY the Land Owners. They said cost would be in the 250-300,000 baht range. We consulted a lawyer and he said this was wrong. We were fortunate to sell our house and move away from the criminal developer's nightmare but I understand the battle is still going on in the complex and EGAT has to service them directly if they request it. When your getting ripped off by a 25% inflation of the elect. bill it can tend to make you angry.

My best advise is go to EGAT NOW and find out what can be done. Not getting the bill from EGAT was a frequent problem with people who took over from criminal developer mess. Had to go to EGAT and sort through their mess to get it.

Good luck.

[stgrhe]

Does the development has its own transformer and in that chase is it a three phase or single phase version and also what size is it in kVA?

No dedicated transformer

So are you saying the development is sharing a transformer with other users? Is it single or three phase?

Next question: how many houses are there in the development and what are the current meter ratings 15/30 or 30/100?

12 house 30/60 meter rating

Are you saying that the entire development has only one meter among 12 houses and that the meter is rated 30/60? This meter is in such a case much too small for 12 houses and in combination with the high rated main circuit breaker the meter risk burning with a power cut as a consequence. This would be your main argument for getting your own meter as your current installation seems to be in jeopardy.

Final question: what is the rating in Amps of your main circuit breaker?

100amp

Your main breaker is much too large and could cause a serious problem for you. The main breaker should not be greater than that of the meter rating. With a 100 amp MCB your meter should be rated 30/100; or if the meter is rated 30/60 you should have a 63 amp MCB.

It appears someone got the calculations wrong.

[Super Joe]

Hi Peter, re: my question about who owns the site roads, do you know this yet, it's fundamental to what you/electric company can do. A few on here should be able to offer relevant advice after this is established.

"Electricity on temporary meters is more expensive" - Your electricity won't be being charged by the electric authority at temporary meter rates (if developers meter is permanent), so shouldn't apply.

Law says we needed over 50% of the Land Owners (not lessors) in the total complex

Believe you mean lessees Brian, and its an excellent point. Leaseholders (lessees) are, quite rightly, NOT members in the normal legal 'Moo Bahn Owners Association', and have no vote, their lessor does. I would hazard a guess that this law is not applicable to 80-90% of new built developments in Thailand.

I'm no property expert but this one seems to be in-sink with the usual conman/cowboy stuff of this sector.

How much did you say you paid down Khaosan Road for your fake teaching credentials again?

SJ

[Spitfire]

SJ, was a low/cheap shot, must admit, a UTI post that one. I stand corrected, should read "I'm utterly stunned that such thing could happen from such pillars of the community as building contractors."