laser teeth whitening

[vegas]

Looking for teeth whitening.
Can someone give me a good address for a good work in HUA HIN ?

[Angelique]

I did it there: Coolsmile dental clinic Hua Hin and think it was good!
100/2-3 Nabkehard Rd.

[Johan]

Do you have a picture before after ? I want to do it too but i don't know if the results worth the money.

[vegas]

Perfect Smile Dental Clinic

do you know that one, and is it a good one ?

[PET]

[quote="Johan"]Do you have a picture before after ? I want to do it too but i don't know if the results worth the money.

Good lord you have some cheek ?

[MrPlum]

Dip your toothbrush in 3% Hydrogen Peroxide and clean daily. After one month your gnashers will be gleaming. 30 baht.

[MorSage]

Hydrogen peroxide H2O2: cheap but nasty. H202 is a powerful free radical, steals electrons from neighbouring molecules and reduces to water. The most prominent mechanism of radiation induced damage within a body is radiation induced formation of H2O2 that subsequently damages neighbouring molecules that sometimes repairs, sometimes may lead to cell death or sometimes may change a cell i.e. DNA mutation > possible cancer. Before others jump in and try to defend H2O2, by stating the common belief that radiation interaction via the photo-electric effect and Compton effect on DNA are the mechanisms of radiation malignancy induction understand that while these mechanisms occur in magnitude they are minimal to the damage caused by radiation induced H2O2.

30 baht for the tooth whitening 10 million for the slow and horrible death, just a thought.

[MrPlum]

30 baht for the tooth whitening 10 million for the slow and horrible death, just a thought.

Yes, a scary thought but not really enough info in your post. Do you have a source for this? Thanks.

Millions of people are using over the counter and dentist-sold H2O2 teeth whitening products. The USFDA have approved 3% HP for mouthwashes. Babies ingest H2O2 in their colostrum, while ozonated water and oxygen therapies use H2O2 widely.

Where I think HP is dangerous is when it is over 3% concentration or when you ingest it in quantity. The amount of HP used when you dip a brush in it is unlikely to overwhelm the bodies anti-oxidant defences and, for only one month, I would suggest is harmless.

I wouldn't ingest the shop-bought H2O2 since it has chemical stabilizers but it says clearly on the bottle do NOT ingest it. 'Food grade' H2O2 is better but not easy to source.

Many people I know have tried this method for tooth whitening and also 'food grade' for cleaning ears (at 2% and below) without any kind of mishap.

I have far greater concerns about fluoridated toothastes, causing dental fluorosis amongst other problems, and coloured mouthwashes, than a small amount of Hydrogen Peroxide.

[lindosfan1]

MR PLUM said

Dip your toothbrush in 3% Hydrogen Peroxide and clean daily. After one month your gnashers will be gleaming. 30 baht.

The he said

I wouldn't ingest the shop-bought H2O2 since it has chemical stabilizers but it says clearly on the bottle do NOT ingest it. 'Food grade' H2O2 is better but not easy to source.

Is your first advise incorrect. what evidence have you on the safety of your suggestion. having said it is difficult to find. I also note no disclaimers so I presume you have the qualifications to issue this advice

[MorSage]

30 baht for the tooth whitening 10 million for the slow and horrible death, just a thought.

Yes, a scary thought but not really enough info in your post. Do you have a source for this? Thanks.

Millions of people are using over the counter and dentist-sold H2O2 teeth whitening products. The USFDA have approved 3% HP for mouthwashes. Babies ingest H2O2 in their colostrum, while ozonated water and oxygen therapies use H2O2 widely.

Where I think HP is dangerous is when it is over 3% concentration or when you ingest it in quantity. The amount of HP used when you dip a brush in it is unlikely to overwhelm the bodies anti-oxidant defences and, for only one month, I would suggest is harmless.

I wouldn't ingest the shop-bought H2O2 since it has chemical stabilizers but it says clearly on the bottle do NOT ingest it. 'Food grade' H2O2 is better but not easy to source.

Many people I know have tried this method for tooth whitening and also 'food grade' for cleaning ears (at 2% and below) without any kind of mishap.

I have far greater concerns about fluoridated toothastes, causing dental fluorosis amongst other problems, and coloured mouthwashes, than a small amount of Hydrogen Peroxide.

Virtually any resonable radiology text will verify my statements in regard to biological radiation damage occuring via induced photo-electric and Compton effects or the induction of free radiacals principally H2O2 as water is pretty common in the body. One text that states this simply is called 'Radiation physics for Medical Technologists'.

H2O2 has been a common product and it occurs naturally i.e. Manuka honey slowly releases it hence the anti-bacterial, etc. effects. Some white blood cells also kill by releasing H2O2. Just because something occurs naturally in food does not mean it is safe, but for the last decade does exempt it from requiring formal USFDA approval for public sale if no therapeutic claims are stated on package.

In regard to consuming ozone and oxygen therapies, ozone is classed in the most potent category of carcinogen (grab a Merck Manual look up ozone or lung cancer). Ozone O3 is a super free radical, O3 reacts with water in the body via free radical reaction (oxidation) to produce H2O2 that initiates a secondary free radical reaction. In the context of this discussion ozone; a little while ago it was great and air conditioners were outputing it to kill bacteria, viruses, funguses etc, others were disinfecting their vegetables and pets with it. Now air in Japan and Korea cleaners /conditioners are certified for enhanced safety based on the least ozone production levels, and ozone is listed in the strongest category of lung cancer carcinogens, lung cancer is now the leading cause of cancer related death.

Free radical H2O2/O3 damage can may be controlled by anti-oxidants and some other substances, but just like radiation damage there is no 'safe' threshold only limits that are outright hazardous. Free radical damage without humongous exposure does its damage very insidiously. Malignant transformation for instance often requires thousands of DNA mutations before induction, and detection normally occurs at about 50% of the time the tumour will kill in, when the tumour is about 1cm in size or about 20 cell cycle doublings. 40 doublings tends to about a 10cm total mass and death. Smoke a 100 cigarettesa day and after 5 years you probably do not have cancer but after 30 years of doing that you probably do.

My point is, that all seems good is meaningless, and the FDA allows it interpreted as 'safety' is pretty bizarre - history is overflowing with examples. Admittedly, there is danger in just about every aspect of existance and the dangers of short -term 3% H2O2 maybe less hazardous than many other environmental agents but it is still a lottery ticket in a lottery you do not want to win. Choosing to use H2O2 is up to you, my goal here is to provide information to assist the decision making process - informed consent.

To me this discussion is now closed, if you agree, disagree, have differing opinion that is your right.

[MrPlum]

I also note no disclaimers so I presume you have the qualifications to issue this advice

There is no requirement in the T&C's for any member to be 'qualified' before presenting information that is freely available in the public domain. Nor is there any requirement in the T&C's for anyone to post disclaimers. If you feel any information presented is 'dangerous' or incorrect then you are free to post a warning, make any correction or debate the point, just as the member 'MorSage' has done.

Since you have shown in the past that you lack knowledge of these topics, nor possess any qualifications in these areas yourself, it might be best if you left moderation to the moderators.

Good man.

.. my goal here is to provide information to assist the decision making process - informed consent.

If only everyone would adopt the same approach instead of being confrontational, we might all learn something.

To me this discussion is now closed, if you agree, disagree, have differing opinion that is your right.

Oh. I mostly agree and learned something new, so thank you. I hope we will be hearing much more from you.